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John Walsh (c. 1827-1894) Ballinrobe, Co. Mayo, Ireland, a Brief Biographical Sketch

Birth: John Walsh was born circa 1827 most likely in County Mayo, Ireland, parents unknown. His date of birth is estimated on his age at death, see below.

Marriage: John Walsh married Fanny Feeney in Castlebar in 1856, see below.

Children: John and Fanny Walsh had at least 12 children: John born 1861, Michael born 1863, Mary born 1865, James born 1867, Julia, c. 1868, Thomas born 1869, William born 1871, Joseph born 1873, Fanny born 1875, Ellen born 1877, and Bridget born 1881, Patrick date of birth unknown and

At least 8 of their children, Michael, Mary, James, Thomas, Joseph, Fanny, Ellen and Julia immigrated to New York City.

Occupation: Gardener/Steward

Place of Residence: The family of John Walsh lived in the townslands of Carrownalecka and Knockanothish in the parish of Ballinrobe, County Mayo.

Death of Fanny Feeney: Fanny Feeney Walsh died in Ballinrobe in 1892.

Death of John Walsh: John Walsh died in Ballinrobe in 1894.

The Name Walsh: Walsh is one of the most common names in Ireland and is particularly common in County Mayo.


The Birth of John Walsh

According to his death record, John Walsh was born circa 1827. He was most likely born in County Mayo, Ireland, exact place unknown.

Possible places of birth:

  • Ballinrobe
    • John Walsh lived in Ballinrobe from at least 1861 until his death in 1894.
    • He appears to have had a close relationship with several Walsh females in Ballinrobe
    • He had at least one cousin in Ballinrobe
  • Castlebar
    • He was married in Castlebar
    • Charles Walsh, the grandson of John Walsh, in notes that he made with his daughter, Mary Walsh Herdman, indicated that the Walsh family had some connection to Castlebar.
    Note: The marriage usually took place at the home of the bride.

His parents are not known. There are no available records in either Castlebar or Ballinrobe that cover the period of John Walsh's birth.

By comparing the sponsors of the children of the Walsh families in the parish, I have been able to determine who several of his close relatives were. See below.

John Walsh was a young man during the Great Famine of 1845-48. For more information about the potato famine, see Life in Ireland below.


The Marriage of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney

John Walsh married Fanny Feeney, Monday, February 18, 1856, Castlebar Roman Catholic Church. Witnesses: Patrick Rainey and Elizabeth Devine.

Fanny may have been as young as 14/15 years old at the time of the marriage. John was about 29.

Note: Fanny's age at marriage was not exceptional in the west of Ireland at the time.

I had hoped the Castlebar records (which start in 1824 for marriages and 1838 for baptisms) would lead me to other records for either John Walsh and/or Fanny Feeney. However, I did not find any other records relating to them in the Castlebar parish ledgers.

Fanny does not appear to have been baptized in Castlebar. See Fanny Feeney


The Children Of John Walsh And Fanny Feeney

John and Fanny were married in 1856. There were no baptismal records for any children born to them in Castlebar. It is possible that they moved immediately to Ballinrobe. Unfortunately, the baptismal records for Ballinrobe are missing from 1857 to 1861. It is highly likely that John and Fanny had children during that time period.

Agnes Walsh Lahiff, the grand daughter of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney, listed two children (Patrick and Julia) that I did not find in the Balllinrobe records. See below.

The names of the following ten children were taken from the baptism record book of the Parish of Ballinrobe, Ireland and the civil birth registrations for Ireland. The civil records are available through the Family History Center of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, commonly called LDS. The civil records in Ireland start in 1864. Therefore, the civil birth records for the birth of John and Michael are not available.

  1. John (Irish Sean) Walsh

    Baptism

    John Walsh , the son of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney was baptized on August 16, 1861, sponsors: John Murphy and Bridget Lardner.

    Further records:

    I do not know what happened to John Walsh. The civil records indicate that he did not die between 1864 and 1870.

    Note: The name and date of birth are simply too common to research without addidtional information or a possitive connection to one of the known Walshes.

  2. Michael Walsh (1863-1918) Married Bridget (Beesy) Kallora, NYC

    The signature of Michael Walsh from his US naturalization application.

    Baptism

    Michael Walsh , the son of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney was baptized on August 27, 1863, sponsors: Pat Keaffe and Mary Morahan (Moraghan).

    Immigration: Michael Walsh immigrated to New York circa 1886. His younger siblings, Joseph and Fanny, listed him as a relative when they immigrated to the United States in 1894.

    For more information on Michael Walsh, his marriage, children and life in NYC, either click on The Walshes in New York City now or go to the bottom of the page.

  3. Mary Walsh (1865-1927) Married William O'Shaughnessy, NYC

    Baptism

    Mary Walsh, the daughter of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney was baptized on August 12th, 1865, sponsors: James Burke and Bridget Flanagan.

    Civil Birth Record

    Mary Walsh, born on August 5, 1865 at Carnalecka, Ballinrobe to John Walsh, "steward", and Fanny Feeney. Reported on the 5th of September 1865 by her mother, Fanny Walsh.

    Notes:

    • A definition of a "steward" that might apply in this case is according to Webster, "a manager, acting for the owner of a large landed estate, its mansion, tenants etc." To be a steward one needed an estate to work at. Bridie Mulloy in her history of Ballinrobe, Itchy Feet and Thirst Work, says that workers of the Creagh Estate, which belonged to "Col. Knox", came from Cushlough and Carnalecka.
    • Carnalecka is in the north west section of the town of Ballinrobe.
    • Another possibility is that he worked for the Kenny family who for years had the same or similar "address" as John Walsh
    Immigration: Mary Walsh immigrated to New York City, date unknown.

    For more information on Mary Walsh, her marriage, children and life in NYC, either click on The Walshes in New York City now or go to the bottom of the page.

  4. James (Irish Seamus) Walsh (1867-??) Married Anna Svenson, NYC

    Baptism

    James Walsh, the son of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney was baptized on July 18th, 1867, sponsors, Michael Malley and Ellen Goggin.

    Civil Birth Record

    James Walsh, born on July 6, 1867 at Carnalecka, Ballinrobe to John Walsh, "gardener", and Fanny Feeney. Reported on the third of September 1867 by his mother Fanny Walsh.

    Notes:
    • A gardener also needed an estate to work on.
    Imigration: James Walsh immigrated to New York City, date unknown.

    For more information on James Walsh, his marriage, children and life in NYC, either click on The Walshes in New York City now or go to the bottom of the page.

  5. Julia Walsh (c. 1868-1928) died NYC

    Baptism: Unknown

    Based on her death circa 1868.

    Immigration: Circa 1888

    Death: June 6, 1928, Queens, New York. See The children of John and Fanny in NYC

  6. Thomas Walsh (1869-???) Married Margaret Hefferine, NYC

    The signature of Thomas Walsh from the naturalization papers of his brother, Michael.

    Baptism

    Thomas Walsh, the son of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney, was baptized in October (can't read date) 1869, sponsors: Charles Lardner and Bridget Murphy.
    Civil Birth Record
    Thomas Walsh, born on October 3, 1869 at Knackanotish, Ballinrobe to John Walsh, farmer, and Fanny Feeney. Reported on November 27, 1869 by his mother Fanny Walsh .
    Note:
    • The change of occupation, gardener, at James birth in 1867 and the address, Carnalecka, to occupation, farmer, address, Knockanotish at Thomas birth in 1869.

    Immigration: Thomas Walsh immigrated to New York City, date unknown.

    For more information on Thomas Walsh, his marriage, children and life in NYC, either click on The Walshes in New York City now or go to the bottom of the page.

  7. William Walsh

    Baptism

    William Walsh, the son of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney was baptized on October 14th, 1871, sponsors, Michael Meehan and (?) Lardner.

    The entry for the female sponsor is very hard to read and either says "Brt" or "Mrs" Larner. "Mrs " was a relatively common designation for a female sponsor in the parish records.

    Civil Birth Record

    William Walsh, born on October 13, 1871 at Knackanotish, Ballinrobe to John Walsh, gardener, and Fanny Feeney. Reported on November 21, 1871 by his mother, Fanny Walsh.

    Note:

    • John's occupation is back to gardener but the address is still Knockanotish.

    Further Records

    Agnes Walsh (the daughter of William's brother, Joseph) said that William remained in Ireland, see Agnes Walsh, below.
    Note: The name and date of birth are simply too common to research without addidtional information or a possitive connection to one of the known Walshes.

  8. Joseph Walsh (1873-1928) ★ Married Maggie (Margaret) Langan, NYC

    Baptism

    Joseph Walsh, the son of John and Fanny Walsh was baptized on February 3rd, 1873, sponsors, Charles Lardner and Mary Hughes.
    Civil Birth Record
    Joseph Walsh, born on the January 23, 1873 at Knockanotish, Ballinrobe to John Walsh, gardener, and Fanny Feeney. Reported on March 8, 1873 by his mother, Fanny Walsh.

    Note:

    • John's occupation is still gardener, the address is still Knockanotish.
  9. Further Records

    Joseph Walsh immigrated to New York City where he married Maggie Langan.
    For more information on Joseph Walsh, his marriage, children and life in NYC, either click on Joseph Walsh now or go to the bottom of the page.

    ★ This is my great grandfather. MHB

  10. Fanny Walsh (1875-1904) Married Patrick Mohan, NYC

    Baptism

    Fanny Walsh, the daughter of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney was baptized on March 17, 1875, sponsors, Patrick Lardner and Bridget Mea.
    Civil Birth Record
    Fanny Walsh, born on March 17 , 1875 at Knockotish, Ballinrobe to John Walsh, steward, and Fanny Feeney. Reported on May 15, 1875 by her mother Fanny Walsh.

    Note:

    • John's occupation is back to steward, the address is still Knockanotish.

    Imigration: Fanny Walsh immigrated to New York City, with her brother, Joseph, in 1894.

    For more information on Fanny Walsh, her marriage, children and life in NYC, either click on The Walshes in New York City now or go to the bottom of the page.

  11. Ellen Walsh

    Baptism

    Ellen Walsh, the daughter of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney was baptized on December 15, 1877, sponsors, John Malley and Mary Lardner.
    Civil Birth Record
    Ellen Walsh, born on December 10, 1877 at Knockaknotish, Ballinrobe to John Walsh, gardener, and Fanny Feeney. Reported on March 9, 1878 by her mother, Fanny Walsh.

    Notes:

    • There is a note in the margin of this records that says "three mile" I have not idea what that means.
    • John's occupation is back to gardener, address was still Knockanotish.
    Further Records
    Agnes Walsh (the daughter of Ellen's brother, Joseph) said that Ellen immigrated to New York, see Agnes Walsh, below.
  12. Bridget Walsh

    Baptism

    Bridget Walsh, the daughter of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney was baptized on December 28, 1881, only one sponsor was listed, Thomas Walsh.
    Civil Birth Record

    Bridget Walsh, born January 5, 1882, the daughter of John Walsh, land steward, Knockanotish, Ballinrobe, and Fanny Feeney Walsh. Reported by Fanny with the notation, "Fanny her x mark Walsh, Mother."Office of the Registrar General, Joyce House 8-11 Lombard Street East, Dublin 2, Ireland.
    Note::
    • Bridget, which means High One, was one of the most common female names in Ireland.

    Further Records

    I do not know what happened to Bridget.

Patrick son of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney

Family history indicates that John Walsh and Fanny Feeney had one additional child:

  1. Patrick

    Date of birth not known.

    Further Records: Stayed in Ireland, see Agnes Walsh and Charles Walsh, below


Additional Notes Regarding the Births and Baptisms of the Walsh Children

  • There probably were other children born to John and Fanny between thier marriage in 1856 and the birth of the first known child in 1861 (a period of 4 years) - the years 1857 through 1860 are missing from the parish records and not available through the civil records.

  • I could not find any other children born to John and Fanny after the birth of Bridget in 1881.

  • According to the estimated year of her birth based on her death record, Fanny would have been 39 at the birth of Bridget. There are records in Ireland of women having children well into their forties.

  • With the exception of the four year break between Ellen and Bridget, the births are spaced at two-year intervals. This was a standard rate of birth for Catholics in Ireland at that time.

  • All of the civil birth registrations indicate that Fanny Walsh "signed with x her mark". At the time of the birth of Fanny's children most women, the world over, were illiterate. Responses to the question of literacy in the 1901 census in Ballinrobe indicate that most of the Catholic population in the town who were born before the 1860s could not read or write. For more information on literacy and education see Life in Ireland below.

  • In reply to my inquiry, the South Mayo Family History Centre wrote on November 8, 2002 that a check of the pre-1901 civil records of marriages did not indicate a marriage for any of the sons or daughters of John Walsh, gardner, in the Ballinrobe area.

  • The common practice in Ireland in the late 1800s was for one only child in each family to inherit the right to the family property. Most Catholics in Ireland did not own property but had hereditary rights to land rental. The inheriting child most likely married and had a family. For the most part, the other children, lived a single life as helpers on the property, entered the clergy, or immigrated.

    The inheriting child was not necessarily the oldest. The parents kept the property in their control as long as possible. The property went to whoever remained at home at the time the parents could no longer maintain control. By that time older siblings may have immigrated and the property would go to a younger sibling.


Names Used by John and Fanny

Who, if anyone, were John, Michael, Mary, James, Julia, Thomas, William, Joseph, Fanny, Ellen, Bridget and Patrick named after? With the exception of Julia, Fanny and Ellen, the names of the children of John and Fanny Walsh are among the most common given names in the Ballinrobe Parish records and in Ireland in general.

I have not been able to find any discussion of Irish naming patterns. However, the names people give their children generally make a statement. There are two approaches to naming patterns. The first is the traditions approach in many cultures of naming children after their parents, grandparents, or other family members. The second approach is to be "modern" and give children names that have not been previously associated with the family. Not infrequently, a combination of these approaches is used. Sometimes the first born children are given traditional names and younger children are given non-traditional names. Sometimes boys are given traditional names and girls are given non-traditional names.

Names go in and out of fashion. For example, Agnes, a name that did not appear in the Ballinrobe records in the 1800s, became quite popular both in Ireland and in the Irish/American population in New York at the turn of the century.

John and Fanny's first known child, John, was named for his father. Their daughter, Fanny, was named for her mother. Since there was another daughter, Mary, born before Fanny it is tempting to speculate that she may have been named for either John or Fanny's mother. The parish records also show an association between John Walsh and several other Walsh families that include the names Ellen and Bridget.

There was no connection between the names of the sponsors and the names of the John and Fanny Walsh's children. In other words they were not named for the person who was their sponsor.

What did the subsequent generations of Walshes do when naming their children?

Joseph Walsh and Maggie Langan's children were; Elizabeth (AKA Lillian), William, Margaret, Isabelle (Note: on the birth certificate, Isabelle was listed as Agnes), Joseph, Charles, Ellen, Agnes, Joseph, and George. Joseph and Maggie were conservative enough to name three of their children after themselves in that they named one daughter, Margaret, and two of their sons, Joseph. They did not name any of their children after either set of grandparents. William may have been named for Joseph's brother. Ellen may have been named after Joseph's sister. Charles may have been named for Joseph's baptismal sponsor, Charles Lardner. Agnes, as mentioned, became a popular name in the early part of 1900. Who were Elizabeth, Isabelle and George named for?

Why was their first child named Elizabeth? This was not a name that appeared in the Ballinrobe parish records.

I do not know the names of the children of all of Joseph and Maggie's children. However, their daughter, Isabelle, and her husband, Frank Goehle, used family names for their daughters. With the exception of the oldest, Frank, they did not followed the traditional naming patterns with their sons. Their children were, Agnes (after Isabelle's sister), Isabell (after her mother), Margaret (after Isabelle's sister), Eileen (an exception), Frank (after his father), Ellenore (from Ellen, after Isabelle's sister), Paul, Anthony, Elizabeth (after Isabelle's sister) and Daniel.


Children of John And Fanny Walsh According to Notes from Agnes Walsh Lahiff (the daughter of Joseph Walsh and granddaughter of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney) to her daughter, Maria

Agnes Walsh Lahiff told her daughter, Maria that John Walsh and Frances "McDonald" had the following children (I have made notes in italics):

  1. Patrick, Veterinarian, stayed in Ireland.
    • I did not find a birth or baptismal record in Ballinrobe Parish for Patrick, the son of John and Fanny Walsh. However, there is a baptismal record in for Patrick Walsh, the son of John and Walsh (no mother's name was listed, no place was listed), February 4, 1880, sponsors, William Stanton and Mary Walsh. Stanton is not a name otherwise connected to the Walshes. Patrick and Walsh are both extremely common names in the area.
    • Charles Walsh did not include Patrick in his list of the siblings of Joseph Walsh, see below
    • It is said that Joseph Walsh was a seventh son. This would be possible if Patrick was older than Joseph.
    • John and Fanny married in 1856. The first record for a child was in 1861. It is highly likely that they had children between 1856 and 1861.
  2. William, stayed in Ireland, Dublin Post Office.
    • Baptized 1871, see above
    • Charles Walsh did not include William in his list of the siblings of Joseph Walsh, see below
  3. Thomas, immigrated to New York.
    • Baptized in 1869, see above.
    • Thomas immigrated to New York City
  4. James "Jim", who married a Swede, and had two children: Thomas and Fanny. Other notes "swimmer, famous=bay".
    • Baptized 1867, see above
    • James immigrated to New York, see below
    • Charles Walsh included James in his list of the siblings of Joseph Walsh, see below
  5. Uncle Michael Walsh to Aunt Bezie=Betrice Killoran. Had three children, Mary=Tootsie. Estate died in 1970, $40,000, no will, Eddie, died, Patrick, died.
    • Michael baptized 1863, see above
    • Michael immigrated to New York City
    • Charles Walsh included Michael in his list of the siblings of Joseph Walsh, see below
  6. Joseph married Margaret Langan.
    • Born 1873, see above
    • Immigrated to New York,
  7. Julia, "Aunt" Julia, mom's godmother. Spinster died about 70 years old.
    • I did not find a birth or baptismal record for Julia
    • Charles Walsh included, Julia in his list of the siblings of Joseph Walsh, see below
    • She died in Queens in 1928)
  8. Ellen, spinster, died about 40 years of age (romance with someone she couldn't marry--- story about being married to him on her deathbed. Not sure.)
    • Born 1877, see above
    • Charles Walsh included Ellen as a sibling of Joseph Walsh, see below
  9. Mary, married William O'Shaughnessey. Had three children: Harold, deceased at 70, had children, William, married to Nora Mc Carthy lives in Florida, Nellie, deceased. (Brought up 2 boys, when her husband's brother's wife and he died. They both became Jesuits- Fathers Martin and Bill- and spent most of their time in China)
    • Born 1865, see above
    • Charles Walsh included Mary as a sibling of Joseph Walsh, see below
  10. Fanny, died in her teens. (She died at age 27 in 1904, MLB).
    • Fanny born 1875, see above
    • Fanny immigrated to New York and married Patrick Mohan in 1899 at age 22. See Fanny in New York City
    • Charles Walsh did not included Fanny as a sibling of Joseph Walsh

Agnes/Maria's further notes:

  • "Dark Irish"
  • Fieldstone Farne (?) (Shell)
  • Pat or William's daughter married the Guinness; daughter upset about poverty here. Aunt Bezie brought to 5th Ave mansion.

My Notes:
  • This is not the first time that Fanny Feeney was listed as Fanny (Frances) Mc Donald. Fanny was listed as McDonald on:
    • The marriage of her daughter, Fanny, in 1899
    • The death record of Fanny Walsh Mohan in 1904
    • The death record of her son, Michael in 1918
    • The death record of Mary Walsh O'Shaughnessy in 1928
    • The death record of Julia Walsh in 1928
    • In addition, Marilyn Walsh Krausch (the daughter of William Walsh and the granddaughter of Joseph and Maggie Walsh) said that her father always said that Fanny's maiden name was McDonald.
  • I found the birth records for 10 children for John and Fanny. Eight are the same as listed by Agnes Walsh Lahiff. However, I have records for John and Bridget, which Agnes did not include. Agnes had listings for Patrick and Julia for whom who I did not find baptismal or birth records. Could John=Patrick and Bridget=Julia or are Patrick and Julia two additional children of John and Fanny?
  • Peggie Goehle Edgar (Bella Walsh's daughter) offered me a further explanation of the "daughter upset about poverty" note. She said that one of the Irish cousins (her name might have been Lowell*) married into the Giunness family. When the cousin visited the Walshes in NYC she was upset to see how they were living in the tenement apartments. So Aunt Bezie (Michael Walsh's wife) took her by a 5th Avenue House to show her how the rich people lived.
  • Peggie Edgar also told me that she remembers seeing a photo of Uncle Pat Walsh.
  • Peggie Edgar says she does not remember Julia Walsh. However, sometime in the 90s, Charlie Walsh (the son of Joseph and Maggie) told her that she looked a lot like Aunt Julia.
  • Charles Walsh listed 6 siblings of Joseph Walsh. He included; Julia, Mary, James, Michael, Thomas and Ellen

*Loel (Lowell) Guinness born c 1907 was a male heir connected the Guinness brewery empire. However, his money came from real estate. There is a lot on The Net about Loel Guinness. He did not marry a Walsh.


Children of John And Fanny Walsh According to Notes from Charles Walsh (the son of Joseph Walsh and grandson of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney) to his daughter, Mary Walsh Herdman

Charles Walsh told his daughter, Mary, that Joseph Walsh had the following siblings (I have made notes in italics):

  1. Julia (single)
    • Listed by Agnes Walsh
  2. Mary, 2 sons + 2 daughters
    • Listed by Agnes Walsh as having 2 sons and one daughter
  3. James, 1 daughter, 1 son
    • Listed by Agnes Walsh as having 1 son and 1 daughter
  4. Michael (Charles Walsh's godfather) 3 boys + 1 girl
    • Listed by Agnes Walsh as having 1 daughter and 2 sons
  5. Thomas (can't read) one son Tom Walsh, author
    • Listed by Agnes Walsh
  6. Eleanor (Ellen), single, (Charles Walsh's godmother)
    • Listed by Agnes Walsh
Charles/Mary's further notes regarding John Walsh and his children:
  • Over Joseph Walsh and the list of his children was written "Castlebar, Ireland, Mayo"
  • There is also a list of addresses which include:
    1. 1055 University Ave -----
    2. 161st near Yankee Stadium
      3211 (3239)
    3. Riverdale- Johnson Ave and 231st
    4. 82nd St and East End Ave (Kindergarden)
    5. 505 (550) 164th St -- 2nd and 3rd grade
    6. 3816 River Place (staring in 4th grade)
    7. 238 E 238 St (6th grade)
    8. 180 V C Pk
    9. ????? (3-29-32 to June 1, 34)

The Walshes in Carrownalecka and Knockanotish

From at least the birth of Mary in 1865 until the birth of James in 1867 the family of John Walsh lived in the "townland" of Carrownalecka .

From at least the birth Thomas in 1869 until the birth Bridget in 1882 they lived in the "townland" of Knockanotish .

The civil records for all the children of John and Fanny only indicate the name of a townland. There are no "street" addresses which would indicate that they lived in the actual town of Ballinrobe. Birth records for others living in the town of Ballinrobe listed a "street" address as well as a townland address. I therefore suppose that John and Fanny were not living in the town proper but at the edge of the town or in a more rural setting outside the town itself.

At the time of the death of Fanny Walsh, they were living in the "townland" of Friarsquaters on Abbey Street in the town of Ballinrobe.

For more information on the breakdown of the townlands, see Ballinrobe and Maps, below.


Occupations and Employer of John Walsh

John Walsh was listed in the civil records with the following dates, addresses and occupations:

1865 Carnalecka steward
1867 Carnalecka gardener
1869 Knockanotish farmer
1871 Knockanotish gardener
1873 Knockanotish gardener
1875 Knockanotish steward
1877 Knockanotish gardener
1882 Knockanotish land steward
1892 Abbey Street, Ballinrobe gardener
1894 Abbey Street, Ballinrobe gardener
All of the occupations listed, except farmer, require an employer of some standing in the community.

In 1882 John Walsh was listed as a "Land Steward". According to REGENCY MANOR in 19th century England:

"Male servants ranked above female servants and non-liveried servants, those who did not wear uniforms, ranked above those servants who did. The highest ranking male servant (who in some ways was more a professional employee than a true servant), was the land steward. He was often the son of a minister or businessman. Some land stewards were attorneys and had their own homes and own businesses on the side. The steward was the manager of the estate. He hired and fired workers, settled tenant complaints, saw to the harvesting of crops, managed the timber, collected the rents and kept all the financial records. Very wealthy men with more than one estate had several land stewards. A reader often encounters a land steward (sometimes called a bailiff) in regency fiction. David Wiggins in Carla Kelly's The Lady's Companion is the steward who manages the farm for Lady Bushnell.
The places of birth listed for the Walsh children in the civil records, i.e. Carnalecka (AKA Carrownalecka) and Knockaknotish, were both "townlands" which bordered on the town of Ballinrobe and parts of the town of Ballinrobe itself. Townlands are the smallest unit in a system of Irish civil government divisions. The divisions included townland, parish, county, and province, in order from the smallest unit to the largest unit. The town of Ballinrobe was divided into several sections. These sections had the same names as the townlands that abutted them. Therefore the address, Carrownalecka, as listed in the civil and parish records, could have been within the town itself or in the townland just outside the boundary of the town. Just to make the whole thing more interesting, in this particular case, the civil parish of Ballinrobe and the Roman Catholic Parish of Ballinrobe cover much of the same territory.


John Walsh In Griffith

The Griffith Valuation is basically a tax record which has been used as a census alternative to locate families in Ireland before the start of the civil records in 1864. The Griffith was first taken in Ballinrobe in 1856. It only lists "heads of household".

Carrownalecka: Since they were born before the civil records started and the parish records did not include a place of birth, I do not know where the Walshes were living when John was born in 1861and when Michael was born in 1863. The civil registration for the births of Mary in 1865 and James in 1867 lists the family "Carnalecka". The research officer in the Office of the South Mayo Family Research Centre on Main Street in Ballinrobe told me that accepted correct spelling of this townland today is, Carrownalecka.

Knockanotish: The family of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney Walsh were living in Knockanotish from at least the birth of Thomas in 1869 until the birth of Bridget in 1881, a period of 12 years. John's occupations while living in Knockanotish were: farmer in 1869, gardener in 1871, gardener in 1873, steward in 1875, gardener in 1877, and land steward in 1881 (all occupations requiring an employer of some standing) .

John Walsh in the Griffith:

The books are not actually dated. There are dates in notations in the margins. I have numbered them to clarify the order in which they were written.

  1. 1856, Book 1, at # 12 High Street, Knockanotish house and yard.
  2. 1857 Book 2, John Walsh at #12 High Street replaced by James Boyle, no date. No other listing for John Walsh in Knockanotish or Carrownalecka.*
  3. 1859, Book 3, #12 High Street John Walsh crossed and James Boyle entered, no date. No other listing for John Walsh in Knockanotish or Carrownalecka.*
  4. 1861-1862, Book 4, Carrawnalecka, Creagh Raod, #11 John Walsh house and yard. He replaced Mary Glynn who had been at that address since 1856. He was know to have been in Carrownaleck by 1865. He was there until at least 1867.
  5. Revised 1862, Book 5, John Walsh at # 11 Creag Road Carrownalecka, landlord George Fynn, John Walsh was replaced at # 11 by John Cunningham, no date. John Walsh replaced Michael Farragher at #27 Creagh Road (still Carrownalecka) no date.
  6. 1867-68 in margins, Book 7, Carrawnalecka John Walsh at # 27 replaced by Walter Walsh, no date.
  7. 1869 to 1882, NO listing for John Walsh in either Carownaleck or Knocknatosh
  8. Dates of 1881, this is, however, another book, book 9, #11 High Street, Vacant, crossed out, John Walsh entered, John Walsh crosed and Constable Mike Kenny entered, dates in margin, 86, 90, 91.
  9. 1893 to 1904, book 10, no John Walsh in either Carrownaleck or Knockanotish
  10. * John Walsh and Ann Walsh of High Street were the parents of: William baptized in 1854. The sponsors were George Larner and Mary Walsh. This is the only record for John and Anne Walsh in the parish records.

As indicated by the baptismal record of William in 1854 there were probabley two John Walshes in the general area at the time, at least for some period of time.

More importantly there is NO listing for John Walsh in the Griffith in either Knockanotish or Carrownalecka between 1869 and 1882 a period of time when he was known (based on the birth records of his children) to have been living in Knockanotish. I believe that the explanation for this is that he was living in a house where someone else was listed as the "head of household".

Kenny in Knockanotish:

Thre are/are two parts to the area known as Knockanothis, the "townland" and the "town".

  1. The "townland" of Knockanotish included only three listings in the Griffith: two acres of land and a house, 283 acres plus a caretakers house and "offices", and a house. All the property belonged to Courtney Kenny, in fee.
  2. Knockanotish, "Town of Ballinrobe", High Street (part of) included 17 "tenements" - a flour mill and 16 houses - two of the houses were the property of Mary Louisa Cuffe, the rest were the property of Courtney Kenny, as was the flour mill.

Notes:

  • Tenement in this sense was any kind of permanent property and did not have the connotation that it does today. One of these houses was occupied by Courtney Kenny with the addition of "offices", a yard and 4 acres of land.
  • All the local histories refer to the flour mill as Kenny's mill. The mill was seven stories high and was powered by the Robe River.
  • All the other properties listed in Knockanotish "Town" were houses with or without yards. Two houses were unoccupied.

Kenny in Carrownalecka: The 1856 Griffith listed Colonel Charles Knox in Carrownalecka but not in Knockanotish. The 1856 Griffith listed Courtney Kenny in with property and houses in Carrownalecka as well as the property and houses in Knockanotish. Courtney Kenny had a son, Stanhope Kenny. Courtney Kenny died in 1863. Stanhope Kenny, born in 1827, was married in 1867.

John Walshe's "addresses" were always in a section belonging to the Kenny family. The fact that he was not listed between 1869 and 1882 indicates that he was listed with someone else who was the designated head of household. It is my believe that he may have lived in the caretakers cottage on the Kenny property.

In 1892 and 1894 the Walshes were on Abbey Street, Ballinrobe (per the death records of Fanny (1892) and John (1894). This address is in the Frier's Quarter of the town.


John Walsh In the Kenny Family Papers

The Kenny Family Papers became available at the County Mayo Library in Castlebar in 2008 . Gerry Ryder very graciously volunteered to look up records relating to John Walsh in the Kenny papers.

In June 2008 he send me copies of several records related to John Walsh:

  • 1859 MP03/171:

    Mrs. Galleagher committed a trespass by cutting turf on the verge of said drain on Knockanotus which she carried across and spread upon the Cloogawla side. Mr Kenny on hearing this sent his steward John Walsh with some labouring men and had the turf put back into the drain again. She attempted a similar trespass subsequently on another part of the ground which was suppressed in like manner. In 1860 she dug a few ridges on the edge of the mearing drain. M Kenny also sent J Walsh and men to level down the place and had grass seed sewn in it."

    Note: This paper confirms that a John Walsh was the steward on the Kenny estate. I think is is save to assume (despite the fact that both the first and surnames were very common) that this is himself.

  • Grazing Rent at Knockanotus: John Walsh

    1867, Harepark and Bottom
    1868, the same
    1869, grass of _ W.'s meadow
    1869-70, The same & Harepark
    1870, Aftergrass Chas meadow and bottom to grass P. W.'s meadow as above, Harepark
    1871, grass of Charles M, bottom, Harepark, aftergrass P. W.'s meadow 5.2.21 to 23
    1872, grass large meadow as above, Harepark, aftergrass of hills 4 a. at 2/51 (abuted) to 23, bottom along Keltrone road, below B. L. mill
    1873, grass large meadow, Harepark, aftergrass C's meadow , the same Hill
    1874, large meadow, Harepark
    1875, grass of meadow as above, aftergrass of C's meadow, Harepark
    1876, grass of meadow as above
    1877, grass of meadow as above

    Note: Given how common the name was, it cannot be certain that this was himself.

  • MP03/223 Statement of Tenents Accounts for 1856 #11 High Street, John Walsh, Arrears, 7/14, year's rent 3/18 Rent and arrears 11/12.

    Notes:

    • This is in keeping with the Griffith tax records and may or may not be John Walsh, himself
    • 15 properties were listed on the page as Gerry sent it to me: The year's rent rent varied: 2/12 for one house, 3 for 5 houses, 3/18 for one house, 5 for one house, 7 for one house, 8 for two houses, 10 for a brewery, 18 for one house , 26 for one house and 180 for the floor mill
  • Gerry sent two other papers where John Walsh was a witnesses: one in 1850 the other in 1891. The handwritting is not the same. These records are too vague, unless at some point the handwriting of John Walsh can be determined.

Gerry has a lovely Ballinrobe web site at Ballinrobe A Century of Change

John Walsh "Vet"

My mother, Agnes Goehle Land, had been told by her mother that her great-grandfather, John Walsh, was a veterinarian. When she visited Ireland in 1980 or 81, she was disappointed to find out that most of the Irish Catholics in the area in the mid to late 1800s were uneducated. Although he was not university educated, as I assumed she had believed, many people who were know to be good with animals and who could treat them for various illnesses and problems were called "vets'. These unschooled "vets" knew how to turn a calf that was presenting incorrectly, assist a ewe with a difficult or multiple birth, or help a choking animal. Some of these vets had a knowledge of herbs and grew medicinal plants in their gardens. The herbs were often were used by man and animal alike. According to Bridie Mulloy in Itchy Feed and Thirsty Work, some of these "vets' succeeded when professional vets failed. She devotes several pages to some of the more renowned of these men in the Ballinrobe area in the early part of the 1900s. According to her, much of the knowledge these "vets" possessed was handed down from generation to generation. It is quite possible that John Walsh was a "vet" in this sense.


A Bit of Land

John Walsh was listed as a farmer in 1869 in Knockanotish. At other times he was listed as either a gardener or a steward. Did he at anytime have a bit of land to leave to his children? It is clear from other records that there were Walshes living in Carrownalecka from 1827 and in Knockanotish from 1857. However, I don't know for sure if John was in the same family of Walshes. The names of the Walshes in Carrownalecka in 1827 and 1857 are not the same as John's or any of his children. The Walshes living in Knockanotish in 1857 was named John, but he was only renting a house and a yard, not acreage (at least at that local).


The Death of Fanny Feeney Walsh

Fanny Walsh, married, age 50 years, wife John Walsh, gardener, of Abbey Street, Ballinrobe, died on the 8th of May, 1892 of bronchitis. The death certificate indicates that she had been ill for "months", there was no medical attention and the death was "uncertified".


The Death of John Walsh

John Walsh, widower, age 67, gardener, died on Monday March 19, 1894, of Heart disease, five days, address Abbey Street, Ballinrobe, reported by Bridget Goggins, cousin, Ballinrobe.

Notes:

  • It is interesting that John Walsh's death was reported by a "cousin", as several of his children were alive and living in Ballinrobe at the time. These included Joseph and Fanny who emigrated in May of 1894. It also probably included Ellen who was younger than Joseph and Fanny and most likely emigrated later. Family history also says that two of the children, Patrick and William, remained in Ireland. Their whereabouts in 1894 is not known.
  • For John Walsh and Bridget Goggin to be cousins, they shared common grandparents and one of each their parents were siblings. Was Bridget Goggins born or married a Goggins?


Did Any of the Children of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney Remain in Ballinrobe?

What happened to the children of John and Fanny who did not emigrate? Was John, the oldest, still alive when Michael left in 1885? If so, did he remain in Ireland or go to America? Mary, James, Julia, Thomas, Joseph, Fanny, Ellen emigrated to NYC. What happened to Patrick, William and Bridget? Did they die as infants and children? It would have been quite unusual at that time to have so many children survive to adulthood. Did they stay in Ireland and marry and/or inherit the "farm"? The civil death records for Ballinrobe indicate that all of the Walsh children were alive until 1870, which was a far as I can access the records in the US. None of the sons of John Walsh were listed in the 1901 census in Ballinrobe.

Family history says that two of the brothers, Patrick and William stayed in Ireland. In fact the daughter of one of them is supposed to have visited the family in New York.

At my request The South Mayo Family History,

"Checked pre-1901 civil records of marriages of any sons or daughters of John Walsh, gardener, in the Ballinrobe area but none appear."


The Name Walsh

Walsh is a Celtic name that means "a Gaul". The Germans pronounced "gaul" as "waul ", the "g" becoming a "w"" sound, therefore the Welsh were originally from Gaul. However, while the first wave of Celts invaded Ireland around 600 BC and the second wave invaded around 250 BC, the name Walsh did not arrive in County Mayo until the 12th century with the Norman occupation of the country.

In The Surnames of Ireland, (1999) Edward MacLysaght lists Walsh as,

" Walsh Breat (h) nach (Welshman), which is re-anglicized also as Brannagh, Brannick etc. A name given independently to many unconnected families in different parts of the country and now the fourth most numerous of all Irish surnames. It is sometimes spelt Welsh, which is the pronunciation of Walsh in Munster and Connacht.."
Under the listing Brannagh, MacLysaght says,

" Breat (h) nach. Now widely superseded by the translation Walsh, but still extant in Cannacht"

Note:

  • Cannacht is the large province that covers most of western Ireland including County Mayo and the Parish of Ballinrobe.
  • Walsh was/is one of the most common names in Ireland. It was/is the most common name in County Mayo.

MacLysaght says:

The pedigree of the Tirawley (Mayo) Walshes was compiled by Lawrence Walsh in 1588. He states that they are descendended from Walynus, a Welshman who came to Ireland with Maurice Fitzgerald in 1169 and that this man's brother Barrett was the progenitor of the Barretts of Tirawley.
The name, Walsh, arrived in the west of Ireland with the 1235 conquest of Connacht by the Norman leaders Richard deBurgo and Maurice Fitz Gerald. The French speaking Walshes known as the "Welsman of Tiraley", came from the rank and file of de Burgo's army. They quickly "went native"; marrying the local women and adapting Gaelic customs.

The 1855/57 Griffith Valuation listed 822 Walsh heads of household in County Mayo, making it the most common name in the county at the time. The second most common name, Gallagher, had only 468 heads of households.

According to the 1890 census returns, Walsh was still the most common name in County Mayo. However, by 1890 there were only 134 Walsh families in Mayo, 249 in the province of Connacht , and 932 in all of Ireland.

1890 birth indexes for Ireland indicate that there were 932 Walsh born in all of Ireland, 249 of those in Connacht, 134 in county Mayo.

Walsh was the seventh most common name in the Dublin phone book from 1961-1966. The seven most common in order were Murphy, Kelly, O'Byren, O'Connor, Ryan, O'Brien, and Walsh.


Possible Siblings of John Walsh

The records start too late to include the birth of John Walsh and any possible siblings.

There are, however, some clues to indicate who his close relatives were:

  1. The sponsor of his children. Sponsors were most often relatives or close family friends. The sponsors of the children of John and Fanny by surname were:
    1. Lardner, 5 times. The Lardners were a small clan who arrived in the parish late. There are considerable connections between all of the Lardners and between the Lardners and John Walsh.
    2. Mally, twice. The Mallys were numerous in the parish.
    3. Murphy, 2 times. The Murphys were numerous in the parish.
    4. Burke, once. The Burkes were numerous in the parish.
    5. Keaffe, once. There were almost no records for Keaffe in the parish.
    6. Flanagan, once. The Flanagans were a small clan.
    7. Goggin, once. The Goggins were a small clan. Ellen Goggin was the sponsor to James, the son of John Walsh, in 1867. Bridget Goggins cousin reported the death of John Walsh in 1894.
    8. Hugh, once. The Hugh, Mac Hughs were numerous.
    9. Mea (May), once. The Mea were a small clan.
    10. Meehan, once. The Meehans were a small clan.
    11. Morhan, once. The Morahans were a small clan.
    12. Walsh, once. The Walshes were one of the largest clans in the parish.
  2. Other Walshes in Ballinrobe.There are substantial connections between John Walsh and several other Walshes in the parish.
  3. Other people who lived in the same townlands.

For surveys of the possible relatives of John Walsh among the sponsors, other Walshes, and families living in Carrownalecka and Knockanotish, go to Possible Relatives of John Walsh


The Death of Pat Walsh, An Interesting Death Record

Pat Walsh of Ballinrobe, male, widower, age 79, died on December 31, 1865, of heart disability, duration 1/2 year, the person who reported the death was Fanny Walsh who was "present at the death".

Pat had to have some relationship to John Walsh and Fanny Feeney Walsh. Fanny Feeney Walsh was the only Fanny Walsh in Ballinrobe at the time.

Family tradition says that John and Fanny named a son, Pat.

If the age at death is at all correct, it means that Pat was born circa 1786.


The Sponsors of the children of John and Fanny as Possible Relatives of John Walsh

Generally the records for Ballinrobe parish indicate that the most common sponsors at baptism were family members. Of the ten male sponsors of John and Fanny's children there was only one male named Walsh.

It is hard to tell from the parish records if the female sponsors were listed with their married or maiden names. Consequently, in considering the female sponsors it has to be taken into consideration whether they were married or single. The records indicate that several of the female sponsors were married and that their maiden names were Walsh. Consequently, I believe that they were related to John Walsh, either as aunts, cousins, or sisters. These female relatives of John Walsh are discussed in more detail below.

Most of the sponsors of the children of John and Fanny Walsh, as did John and Fanny themselves, lived in the north west section of the town of Ballinrobe. This included the townlands and parts of the town itself that were called Carrownalecka, Knockanotish, and Rathkelly. I have been able to establish some, albeit tenuous, family links for several of the sponsors of the children of John and Fanny in that their children had the same sponsors as the children of John and Fanny.

There should have been twenty sponsors for ten known baptisms of the children of John and Fanny. However, there was no female sponsor listed for Bridget in 1881. The female sponsor for William in 1871 is know to have been a Lardner, but try as I might, I can't read the first name which looks like either "Mrs." or "Bgt". It was not uncommon to list a female sponsor as Mrs. So-and-So.

Of the remaining eighteen sponsors, ten of them, Thomas Walsh, Bridget Lardner, Charles Lardner (twice), Mary Lardner, Patrick Lardner, Bridget Flanagan, Bridget Murphy, John Murphy, and Ellen Goggin were more likely to have been related to John Walsh than to Fanny Feeney.

The relationships of the sponsors to John Walsh are as follows:

  • Thomas Walsh, born no later than 1861 was a sponsor for Bridget, the daughter of John and Fanny, baptized in 1881. Thomas was the only male named Walsh who was a sponsor for any of John and Fanny's children. Thomas could not have been the son of John and Fanny as their son, Thomas, would have only been 12 years old at the time. In addition there was at least one other older sibling (Michael was still alive) who would have been a more likely candidate if a sibling was to act as a sponsor. It is therefore more likely that Thomas was a brother, uncle, or at the very least a cousin of John's. It is possible that Thomas Walsh was John Walsh's brother. Since Thomas was the only male Walsh sponsor, this could suggest that John Walsh either did not have other brothers or, if there were other brothers, they had emigrated.

  • Out of twenty possible sponsors of the children of John and Fanny Walsh, Lardners were sponsors six times. This included Bridget Walsh Lardner as a sponsor one time, Mrs. (or Bgt.) Lardner as a sponsor one time, Mary Lardner as a sponsor one time, Charles Lardner as a sponsor two times and Pat Lardner as a sponsor one time. In addition, Bridget Flanagan, another sponsor of a child of John and Fanny was connected to the Larners. There were obviously strong ties between the Walsh and Lardner families.

    1. Bridget Larner, AKA Biddy, was the sponsor for John and Fanny Walsh's son, John, in 1861. Bridget Walsh married John Larner (Lardner) before 1861, exact date unknown. Bridget Walsh Lardner and John Lardner had at least six children between 1861 and 1873. The records are missing from 1856 to 1861 so there is the likelihood that they had additional children during this period. There was no record of any births for their children before 1856. Based on the birth of her first known child, Bridget Walsh Larner was born no later than 1840. It is possible her birth occurred as early as 1836. This makes her a contemporary of John Walsh and possibly his sister.

      Note: For more specific information on Bridget Walsh Larner and the Larners in general see Lardner

      The sponsors of Bridget Walsh Lardner and John Lardner's children were: James and Elizabeth Larner, Pat Walsh and Jane Fagan, Charles and Bridget Murphy, Pat Larner and Bridget Flanagan, Julia Walsh, and Margaret Moran. Three of the sponsors for the children of Bridget Walsh Larner and John Larner were the same as the sponsors for the children of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney.

      1. Pat Lardner was the sponsor John Walsh and Fanny Feeney's daughter, Fanny Walsh, in 1875.
      2. Bridget Murphy was the sponsor of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney's son, Thomas Walsh, in 1869.
      3. Bridget Flanagan was a sponsor for John Walsh and Fanny Feeney's daughter, Mary Walsh, in 1865

    2. Charles Larner (Lardner) was the sponsor of two of John and Fanny's children: Thomas in 1869 and Joseph in 1873. There were at least two Charles Lardners in Ballinrobe. One was born too early to have been the sponsor of John and Fanny's sons. The second Charles Lardner was married to Honor (AKA Anne) Walsh, date unknown, but before 1853. It is likely that Honor Walsh was a sister, cousin or aunt of John Walsh's.

      Honor Walsh and Charles Lardner had at least two children in 1854 and 1866 (Note: the records are missing from 1856 to 1861.) Based on the date of birth of their first known child, Charles Lardner and his wife, Honor Walsh, were born no later than 1834. The sponsors of the children of Honor and Charles were: Anne Lardner, James Lardner, Mary Ann Larner and John Walsh. John Walsh was the sponsor for Charles Lardner's son in 1866. There were several John Walshes in the parish at the time. However, since Charles was the sponsor of a child of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney , I assume the sponsor of Charles Larner's son in 1866 was John Walsh himself.

    3. Mary Lardner was the sponsor of John and Fanny's daughter, Ellen, in 1877. Mary is a common name in the parish. Mary could be just, Mary, or it could be Mary Anne. Both these names were connected with the Lardners. In any event she, was more likely related to John Walsh than Fanny Feeney.

    4. Patrick Lardner was the sponsor of John and Fanny's daughter, Fanny, in 1875 as well as a child of Bridget Walsh and John Lardner. He, therefore seems to have been related to John Walsh rather than Fanny Feeney.

  • Bridget Flanagan was a sponsor in 1870 at the baptism of William, the son of John Lardner and Biddy Walsh of Ballinrobe. The other the sponsors were Pat Larner. The Larner connection makes it likely that Bridget Flanagan was a Walsh relative. It is possible that she was a Lardner married to a Flanagan.

  • There were two Murphy sponsors to the children of John and Fanny Walsh: John Murphy in 1861 and Bridget Murphy in 1869. Bridget Murphy was also connected to the Larners. There was one Goggin sponsor, Ellen, in 1867. John Murphy and Ellen Goggin do not have clear connections to either the Walshes or the Larners. There were Murphys who were neighbors of the Walshes on the northeast section of Ballinrobe.
    1. In addition to being the sponsor to John and Fanny's son, Thomas, in 1869, Bridget Murphy was the sponsor to one of Bridget Walsh and John Lardner's children in 1868. She therefore seems to have been related to John Walsh rather than Fanny Feeney.
    2. John Murphy was the sponsor for John and Fanny's son, John, in 1861. I don't have additional information on John Murphy and his connections to the Walsh and/or Larner clan. John Murphy was a very common Irish name, making him a little hard to track. However, the other Murphy connection, Bridget, was connected to the Walsh/Larner clan and its seems most likely that this John Murphy was related to John Walsh rather than Fanny Feeney.

  • Ellen Goggin was the sponsor of John and Fanny's son James in 1867. The only Ellen Goggin I can find who is a likely candidate to be James's sponsor was Ellen Walsh who married Michael Goggin, date unknown. Based on the date of birth of their only known child, Ellen was born no later than 1835. The sponsor of Ellen and Michael Goggin's only known child, Michael, in 1855 does not connect them to anyone else in the Walsh clan.

The Sponsors of the children of John and Fanny as Possible Relatives of Fanny Feeney

The following sponsors seem to have more of a connection to Fanny Feeney than to John Walsh. There were two male Mally sponsor and I believe one female Mally sponsor to John and Fanny's children as follows:

  • Bridget Mea was the sponsor to John and Fanny's daughter, Fanny, in 1875. There were at least two Bridget Meas in the parish at the time. I believer that Bridget Mally Mea was most likely related in some way to Fanny Feeney.
    1. The first Bridget Mea was Bridget Walsh who married Martin Mea in 1855. Martin and Bridget had at least five children. Although the Walsh surname might indicate a relationship to John Walsh, the sponsors of their children, with one exception, were not common to the sponsors of any of John and Fanny's children, nor were they connected with any known close associates of John and Fanny. The exception was Bridget Mea who was a sponsor of their son, Martin, in 1870. This means that Bridget Walsh Mea and the second Bridget Mea, Bridget Malley Mea, were related in some way.
    2. The second Bridget Mea was Bridget Mally who married Michael Mea in 1861. One of the sponsors for Michael Mea and Bridget Mally's daughter, Mary, in 1867 was Pat Feeney. The other sponsor was Bridget Mea.
    3. Fanny Walsh was a sponsor only once, for John, the son of Pat Malley and "Cath Do a Gill" on May 16, 1866. The other sponsor was John Colleran.
    Notes:
    • It appears that Martin and Michael Mea were related. It is possible that they were brothers as Martin was the sponsor to one of Michael's children.
    • There may have been more than two Bridget Meas in the parish at the time.

  • Mally
    1. Michael Malley was the sponsor for John and Fanny's son, James, in 1867.
    2. John Malley was the sponsor for John and Fanny's daughter, Ellen, in 1877
    There were Mallys who were neighbors of the Walshes on the northeast section of Ballinrobe.

Sponsors Where No Relationship Has Been Established

I would assume that there was some relationship between the remaining sponsors to either John Walsh or Fanny Feeney. I have not been able to figure a direct connections to either John or Fanny for the five remaining sponsors: James Burke, Mary Hughs, Pat Keaffe, Michael Meehan, and Mary Morahan.

John and Fanny as Sponsors

There are several listings for John Walsh as the sponsor. However, John Walsh was a very common name in the community, so I have to be very careful with these records. Already in 1857 when the Griffith Valuation was made, there were 13 listings for the name John Walsh. These listings represent at least seven John Walshes and could represent more than the 13 that were listed, since only heads of household were listed in the Griffith. Later records indicate that there were as many as 21 John Walshes in the parish in the mid 1800s.

However, I believe John Walsh (himself) was the sponsor of sponsor of Charles Larner's son in 1866.

Fanny Walsh was a sponsor, for John, the son of Pat Malley and Cath Gill on May 16, 1866. The other sponsor was John Colleran.

These are the only two certain records of John and Fanny as sponsors.


RELATED PAGES

For information on Fanny Feeney, the wife of John Walsh, go to Fanny Feeney

For more information on Joseph Walsh, his immigration, marriage, and children, go to Joseph Walsh

To see copies of some of the original Walsh documents, go to Copies of Original Walsh Documents

For information on the town of Ballinrobe, go to Ballinrobe

To see maps of the area, go to Maps

For information about John Walsh in the Griffith Valuations go to Griffith Valuation

For information about the children of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney in New York City go to The Walshes in New York City

For information on the possible relatives of John Walsh in Ballinrobe go to Possible Relatives of John Walsh

To se photos of the children and grandchildren of John Walsh and Fanney Feeney go to Children and grandchildren of John Walsh and Fanny Feeney John Walsh

Gerry Ryder's Ballinrobe A Century of Change

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