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The Lardners as Godparents to the Children of John Walsh and Fanney Feeney

The most popular sponsors for the children of John and Fanny Walsh were members of the Lardner/Larner family as follows:

  1. Bridget Lardner, nee Walsh, was a sponsor to John and Fanny's son, John, in 1861
  2. Charles Lardner (the husband of Honor Walsh) was a sponsor to John and Fanny's son, Thomas, in 1869
  3. Mrs or Bgt Lardner was a sponsor to John and Fanny's son, Michael, in 1871
  4. Charles Lardner (the husband of Honor Walsh) was a sponsor to John and Fanny's son, Joseph in 1873
  5. Patrick Lardner was a sponsor to John and Fanny's daughter, Fanny in 1875
  6. Mary Larner was a sponsor to John and Fanny's daughter, Ellen, in 1877

These records indicate a close relationship between John and Fanny and the Larner/Lardner family.

The Lardners were late arrivers in the parish and the records for the name are limited. Because there are so few records for the Lardner/Larners in the parish records and because of their close association with the Walshes they are a perfect "tool" to help separate John and Fanny's family from the other Walshes in the parish.


The Lardner Origins

The Lardner were a clan of stone cutters and masons who arrived in Ballinrobe between 1783 and 1827.

According to Birdie Mulloy in Itchy Feet and Thirsty Work, a boom time came for stone workers when the workhouse was built in the early 1840s. However, this is not what brought the Lardners to Ballinrobe, since the Tithe Applotment Tax Records shows that there were two Lardner families in Ballinrobe by 1827.

In The Surnames of Ireland Edward MacLysaght says Lardner was an English name found in Co. Galway.

A variety of records indicate that the Lardners were not numerous in western Ireland and that their primary seat in County Mayo was in Ballinrobe.

Lardner/Larner (The name was spelt either with or with out the "d".) was not a common name in Ballinrobe parish in the mid to late 1800s. The records indicate that all of the Lardners in Ballinrobe:

  • Where an occupation was given were listed as stone cutters or masons.
  • With one exception, all lived in the north west part of the town of Ballinrobe or in the townlands of Carrawnalecka, Knockanotish and Rathkelly. Carrownalecka, Knockanotish and Rathkelly are contiguous townlands. Carrownalecka and Knockanotish were the townlands associated with John Walsh and Fanny Feeney Walsh.


A Survey of the Lardner in the Records in Ballinrobe

The major records for the parish are:

  • The Analecta Hibernica (1783)
  • The Tithe (1827)
  • The Griffith Tax Valuation ( First taken in 1857)
  • The Parish Records
  • 1901 Census
  • 1911 Census
These records indicate that:
  • There were no Lardner families in Ballinrobe in 1783.

  • There were two Lardner heads of household in Ballinrobe in 1827:

    1. John Lardner in "Cahirnalecka" (Carrownalecka)

      There are no other records for John Ladner.

    2. Michael Lardner in "Cahirnalecka" (Carrownalecka)

      Other records provide the following information on Michael Lardner:

      Birth: Circa 1786, based on his age at death.
      Marriage: Unknown
      Children: Unknown
      Residence: 35 Creagh Road, Rathkelly, with a house, yard and garden (from the 1857 Griffith tax ledger). In the 1859 tax ledger Michael Lardner was crossed out at this address.
      Death: Michael Lardner of Ballinrobe, age 83 years, widower, stonecutter, died on July 3, 1869. The death was reported by the workhouse physician.

    Notes
    • Since there is no way of knowing the ages of John and Michael Lardner, it cannot be determined if they were siblings, father and son, or some other relation.
    • James Lardner, born circa 1796 was a contemporary of Michael Lardner
    • Subsequent Lardners in the parish were most likely the children of one or both of these individuals.

  • Twenty four years after the tithe applotment, when the Griffith valuation was done in Ballinrobe in 1857, there were 9 Lardners listed in four sections of town. Three of these sections, Carrownalecka, Rathkelly and Knockanotish, are contiguous. The fourth, Carnaroya, is on the other side of the town. The Griffith, like the tithe, included two listings for Lardner in Carrownalecka. However the amount of land and the names are not the same. I do not know if or how Michael and John Lardner (listed in the tithe) were related to the subsequent Lardners. While there were two listings for Lardner in Carrownalecka, only one included a house. The Lardners in the Griffith are as follows:
    1. Peter Lardner was listed in the 1857 Griffith at number 12a Carrownalecka with a house and 8 acres of land. The total annual valuation of ratable property in 1857 was 7 pounds. In the 1863 ledger Peter was replaced by Patrick Keating. There was a Peter Lardner also listed in Rathkelly (see below).
    2. Charles Lardner was listed in the 1857 Griffith at number 13 Carrownalecka with 6 acres of land. The landlord was Col. C. Knox. The total annual valuation of ratable property in 1857 was 6 pounds and 10 shillings. In the 1863 ledger Martin O’Neill replaced Charles Lardner. Note: This property does not include a house. Perhaps this was acreage that Charles Larner was using for farming or shepherding purposes. There is the possibility that the land in Carrownalecka was used as a quarry as several times in local histories there is mention of secret masses said in the penal times in the quarries in Carrownalecka. See Charles Lardner below, under Rathkelly.
    3. Charles Lardner was listed in the 1857 Griffith at number 30 Creagh Road, Rathkelly with a house, yard and garden. The total annual valuation of ratable property in 1857 was 1 pound 5 shillings. In the 1867 ledger Charles Lardner was crossed out and Patrick Haveran was entered. (Patrick Haveran does not seem to be related to the Lardners. See Haveran below.) Charles Lardner was also listed in the 1857 Griffith at number 38, Creagh Road, Rathkelly (see number 6 below).
    4. Peter Lardner was listed in the 1857 Griffith at number 32 Creagh Road, Rathkelly with a house, yard and garden. The total annual valuation of ratable property in 1857 was 1 pound 5 shillings. In the 1880 ledger Peter was replaced by Catherine Lardner. Catherine was most likely his widow.
    5. James Lardner was listed in the 1857 through 1867 Griffith as the tenant at number 34 Creagh Road, Rathkelly with a house, yard, and garden and as the land lord at number 40 Creagh Road, Rathkelly. The total annual valuation of ratable property in 1857 for number 34 Creagh Road was 1 pound. In the 1872 to 1880 ledger, James Lardner was crossed out at number 34 and Jeremiah Lardner was entered. In the 1872 to 1880 ledger, James Lardner was crossed out as the landlord at number 40 where no one was entered.
    6. Michael Lardner was listed in the 1857 Griffith at number 35 Creagh Road, Rathkelly with a house, yard and garden. The total annual valuation of ratable property in 1857 was 1 pound. In the 1859 ledger, Michael Lardner was crossed out and Michael Donnelly was entered. In the same ledger, Michael Donnelly was crossed out and James Donnelly was entered.
    7. Charles Lardner was listed in the 1857 through 1866 ledgers at number 38 Creagh Road, Rathkelly with a house, yard and garden. The total annual valuation of ratable property in 1857 1 pound 15 shilling. In the 1867 ledger, Charles was crossed out and John Larner was entered. In the 1880 ledger, John Lardner was crossed out and Bridget Lardner was entered. Bridget Lardner was listed in 1893. Note: The Griffith are not dated officially, I have given dates based on dates written in the margins. From the 1901 census it is clear in several cases that the last ledger must reflect events after 1901. In this case, the 1901 census reflects John still as the head of house hold and not Bridget. Charles Lardner was also the landlord at number 20 Abbey Street, Town of Ballinrobe. The tenant in 1857 was Charles Lydon.
    8. James Lardner was listed in the 1857 Griffith at number 39 Creagh Road, Rathkelly with a house yard and garden. The total annual valuation of ratable property in 1857 was 1 pound. He was still listed 39 Creagh Road in the 1880 ledger. I believe he was at this same address in 1901, see the 1901 census below. I do not believe he was the same person as the James Lardner listed at numbers 34 and 40 Creagh Road.
    9. William Lardner was listed with a house and yard at number 39 Market Street, Carnaroya, Town of Ballinrobe, valued at 2 pounds and 15 shillings in the 1857 Griffith. The parish records show that William Larner was married and had at least one child. While William Lardner was the odd man out and did not live in the same neighborhoods as the other Lardners, records show that he, like all the Lardners was a mason.

    John Lardner was listed from 1857 to 1866 at number 17 High Street, Knockanotish. In 1867, John Larner was crossed out at 17 High Street but entered at 38 Creagh Road, Rathkelly. This is the property where Charles Larner had been listed from 1857 through 1867. I do not know if all these listings represent one or several John Lardners. There can be a presumed closer association between family members living very near one another. In other words, the Lardners in Rathkelly, the two Charles, the two James, Michael, and Peter, are likely to be more closely related to each other than to the Peter and Charles in Carrownalecka. Charles, James, Michael and Peter Lardner were all living next or very near to one another in Rathkelly. There were only 15 listings on Creagh Road in Rathkelly in 1857 and 8 of them involved these Lardners as tenants or landlords. The later arrivals, John and Jeremiah, were also associated with this group in Rathkelly.

    Of the nine listings for Lardners in the 1857 Griffith three were replaced by a non-family member, one stayed the same until the 1901 census, one (William in Carnaroya) I did not follow because he does not seem to be related to the Walshes, and three were replaced by other Lardners.

    1. Sometime between 1872 and 1880 Jeremiah Lardner replaced James Lardner at 34 Creagh Road, Rathkelly. It is likely that Jeremiah was James Lardner’s son. There is no other record of Jeremiah in any of available records.
    2. Sometime between 1872 and 1880 Catherine Lardner replaced Peter Lardner at 32 Creagh Road, Rathkelly . It is highly likely that Catherine was the widow of Peter Lardner.
    3. In the 1867 Ledger John Lardner replaced Charles Lardner at 38 Creagh Road, Rathkelly. Sometime between 1872 and 1880 John Lardner was replaced by Bridget Lardner.

    There were several listings for the Lardners as landlords in the 1857 Griffith:

    1. Charles at number 20, Abbey Street renting to Charles Lyons, “part of” house and yard.
    2. James Lardner at 49 Abbey Street renting to Michael Gildea, house.
    3. John Lardner at 33 Creagh Road Rathkelly. The property, a house, yard and garden, was listed as vacant. In the “1857” Griffiths, John Larner was crossed out as the landlord and no one else was entered.
    4. James Lardner at numbers 40a and 40b renting to James Conry and John Colloran, house and yard.
    I do not know if the Lardners actually owned the land or held it in long term lease from someone else.
  • Other records show that there were 14 Lardner households between 1827 to 1901

    Note: In Ireland in the 1800s it was common for several generations to live in the same house. A household could be comprised of parents, married and unmarried children, and grandchildren. The records indicate that there were 14 Lardner households between 1827 and 1901.

    The following list includes only those Lardner adult males who were listed as a "head of household" in the tax records or who the baptismal records indicate had families.

    1. Charles Lardner born circa 1779, married and had children.
    2. Charles Lardner, born no later than 1821, married and had children
    3. James, born circa 1821, never married
    4. James, born no later than 1860, married and had children.
    5. Jeremiah, the son of James Lardner, marriage (unknown), children (unknown)
    6. John listed in the 1821 tithe, born (unknown), married (unknown), children (unknown)
    7. John, born before 1830, married Catherine Walsh, and had children
    8. John, born before 1840, married Bridget Walsh, and had children
    9. John the son of John Lardner, born 1861, married, and had children
    10. Michael born circa 1786, listed in the 1827 tithe
    11. Michael, the son of James Lardner, born circa 1833, never married.
    12. Peter Lardner, born (unknown), marriage (unknown), children (unknown).
    13. William Larner, mason, born circa 1792, married and had at least one child.

    The following adult Lardner males were never listed as "head of household" and did not have any children baptized in the parish church. It is likely that they never married. Their names appear in the records because they were sponsors at baptisms. Most certainly they lived with a parent or sibling who was the person listed as "head of household" in the tax records.

    1. Pat Lardner, born no later than 1850.
    2. George Lardner, born no later than 1832.

  • Larners in the 1901 Census The number of Lardner heads of household dwindled to two in 1901.
    1. The 1901 Irish census lists James Lardner, head of household, cannot read and write, age 80, stonecutter, not married, born in Claremorris, Irish/English and his brother, Michael Lardner, cannot reat and write, age 68, stonecutter, not married, born in Claremorris, Irish/English at number 3 Creagh Road. I believe James and Michael were listed in the 1857 Griffith at numbers 35 and 39 Creagh Road, Rathkelly, see 4. and 6. above. Based on the information in the census James and Michael were brothers; James was born circa 1821 and Michael was born circa 1833. The census shows this property with no out buildings.
    2. John Lardner on Creagh Road. See under John Lardner, below.


Charles Lardner, Elder

Birth: Circa 1779, place unknown.

Marriage: Unknown

Residence: 38 Creagh Road, Rathkelly, a part of the town of Ballinrobe, with a house, yard and garden. The Griffith ledger indicates that:

  • The total annual valuation of ratable property in 1857 was 1 pound 15 shilling.
  • Charles Lardner was replaced in 1868 at number 38 Creagh Road by John Larner.
Associations: Various tidbits in local histories mention James Lardner, a stone mason who moved to Ballinrobe to work on the building of the workhouse in 1841. Obviously there were Lardners in the parish since 1827. Charles Lardner, the elder, would have been circa 62 years old in 1841. The death record of William Lardner indicates that he was a mason born circa 1792. Charles Lardner was about 13 years older than William Lardner and 17 years older than James Lardner. They may have been related as bothers or cousins. Charles's sons, Charles, and grandson John, were stone masons.

Children:

  1. John Lardner and Bridget Walsh

    John, based on the fact that he left the address he was at from 1859 to 1868 at #17 Knockanotish, town of Ballinrobe, and took over the property at 38 Creagh Road in 1868. The Griffith tax ledgers indicate that 38 Creagh Road had been the home of Charles Lardner from 1857 to 1868

    Birth: Unknown, before 1839, based on the fact that he was a head of household by the 1859 Griffith taxes. He was probably born earlier.

    Marriage: Bridget Walsh, date unknown, before 1861, when their son, John, was born.

    Residence: John Lardner had been listed from 1857 to 1868 at number 17 High Street, Knockanotish. In 1868, John Larner was crossed out at 17 High Street and entered at 38 Creagh Road, Rathkelly, a part of the town of Ballinrobe. In the 1881 John Lardner was crossed out and Bridget Lardner was entered. Bridget Lardner was still listed at # 38 in 1893.

    Children:

    1. John Lardner, (1861-1901+) stone mason, and Bridget Burke

      Baptism: John, of John Lardner and Bridget Walsh, was baptized on March 25, 1861, sponsors: James and Elizabeth Lardner.

      Marriage: John Larner married Bridget Burke on August 11, 1889. The witnesses were James Larner and Kate Flannery.

      Children: John Larner and Bridget Burke lived in the town of Ballinrobe and had:

      1. Mary baptized on May 18, 1890, sponsors, James Larner and Mary Kate O'Connell
      2. Charles baptized on July 8, 1891, sponsors, Charles Larner and Margaret Horan
      3. Michael baptized on April 29, 1893, sponsors, Michael Larner and Ellen Walsh
      4. Patrick baptized on April 17, 1895, sponsors, Pat McHugh and Bridget Nolan
      5. John baptized on May 26, 1897, sponsors, John Nolan and Teresa Connell

      1901 Census: John Lardner was listed in the 1901 census at 4 Creagh Road, in the house next door to James and Michael Lardner:

      • John Lardner, age 40, mason, married, can read and write, Irish/English speaker
      • His wife Bridget, age 30, can read and write, Irish/English speaker
      • Mary, daughter, age ten
      • Charles, son, age 9
      • Michael, son, age 8
      • John, son, age 2
      • Mary and Charles are listed as able to read and write. Michael is listed as able to read. All the children except John are listed as English speakers.

    2. There is a four-year break. There were no listings in the parish records for any children of John and Bridget during this period.

    3. George -
      Birth:
      Baptism: "John", of John and Bridget Larner was baptized on November 13, 1865, sponsors: Pat Walsh and Jane Fagan. This must be a clerical error, "John" born in 1861 was still alive in 1901 and according to the civil registration, this child was named George.

      The Fagans were connected to the Lardners in other ways, Cate Larner was a sponsor to Jane, the daughter of Pat and Mary Anne Fagan of Creaghroad, in 1851, George and Bridget Larner were the sponsors of Mary, the daughter of Pat and Mary Anne Fagan of Creaghroad, in 1852. Was Mary Anne Fagan also known as Mary Ann Lardner?

      Civil Record: "George" Larner, the son of John Larner and Bridget Walsh of High Street was born in 1865. John Larner, senior, was listed as a mason.

      Note: George was not a common name in the parish. There was another George Lardner in the parish who was born no later than 1832 . He does not appear to have married. See below.

    4. Bridget, of John Larner and Bridget Walsh, was baptized on February 10, 1868, sponsors: Charles and Bridget Murphy. According to the civil birth registration, John Larner of Creagh Road, Ballinrobe was a mason.

      Notes:

      • Bridget Murphy was the sponsor of Thomas, the son of John and Fanny, in 1869
      • This birth reflects a change of address for John Lardner from High Street at the birth of George in 1865 to Creagh Road at the birth of Bridget in 1868. This is in keeping with the changes reflected in the Griffith tax ledgers.

    5. William, of John Lardner and Biddy Walsh of Ballinrobe, was baptized on February 9, 1870, sponsors: Pat Larner and Bridget Flanagan. According to the civil birth registration, John Larner of Creagh Road was a mason.
      Death: William Lardner, Creagh Road, age 4 months, mason's child, died of convulsions on May 21, 1870. The person who reported the death was Pat Lardner, listed as present at the death.

      Note:

      Pat Lardner was the sponsor John and Fanny's daughter Fanny in 1875. Bridget Flanagan was the sponsor of John and Fanny's, daughter, Mary in 1865.

    6. Jane, the daughter of John Larner and Bridget Walsh of Ballinrobe, was baptized on September 16, 1871, sponsors: Julia Walsh and Pat Larner.

      Notes:

      • Pat Lardner was the sponsor of John and Fanny's, daughter, Fanny in 1875.
      • It is possible that Julia was another sibling of Bridget and John Walsh.
    7. Margaret (or Mary), the daughter of John Lardner and Bridget Walsh, was baptized October 20, 1873, sponsors: Pat Lardner and Margaret Moran.

    John Lardner in the Griffith

    There were the following changes in the Griffith for John Lardner and his family:

    • John Lardner was listed in the tax ledgers from 1857 through 1868 at number 17 High Street, Knockanotish, in the town of Ballinrobe, a house and yard. He replaced Ellen Brown.
    • In 1868, John Larner was crossed out at 17 High Street and Patrick Cullman was entered.
    • In 1868, Charles Lardner was crossed out at 38 Creagh Road and John Larner was entered. This is in keeping with the change of address in the civil birth records which indicate that John Lardner moved from High Street to Creagh Road.
    • In the 1881 John Lardner was crossed out at 38 Creagh Road and Bridget Lardner was entered. John must have died in 1881.
    • Bridget Lardner was listed in at 38 Creagh Road in the 1893 Griffith ledger.
    • John Lardner, the son of John Lardner and Bridget Walsh, was listed at the Creagh Road address in the 1901 census.

    Relations between John Lardner, Bridget Walsh Lardner, and John Walsh: There is a very close association between John Lardner, his wife, Bridget Walsh Lardner, and John Walsh:
    • "Bridget Lardner" was the sponsor to John Walsh's, son, John, in 1861.
    • Pat Lardner, the brother of John Lardner, was a sponsor of children of both John Lardner (William, 1870, Jane, 1871, Margaret, 1873) and John Walsh (Fanny, 1875)
    • Bridget Murphy was the sponsor for a child of John Lardner (Bridget, 1861) and John Walsh (Thomas, 1869)
    • Bridget Flanagan was the sponsor for a child of John Lardner (William, 1870) and John Walsh (Mary, 1865)

    Bridget Walsh Lardner was probably born between 1833 and 1841, based on age 40 at the birth of her last known child and an age of at least 20 at the birth of her first known child.

    Death: The notation in the Griffith tax record indicates that John Lardner died in 1881. Mayo Family History Centre lists a death for John Lardner in 1881, September 2008.

  2. Charles Lardner, The Younger, stone mason, (circa 1821- ) and his wife, Honor Walsh

    Birth: Charles Larner the younger, based on the date of his marriage, was born no later than 1821. It is highly likely that he was born earlier.

    Associations: Charles Lardner was the sponsor to John and Fanny Walsh's sons, Thomas in 1869 and Joseph in 1873. Note: John Walsh was the sponsor for Charles Lardner's son in 1866. I can't be positive which of the many John Walshes this was. However, since Charles was the sponsor of a child of John Walsh, I assume it was the John Walsh, himnself. Because Charles Lardner, the husband of Honor Walsh, had a child in 1866 and was a sponsor in 1869 and 1873, he obviously cannot have been the Charles who had died in 1866. Baptismal records for the children of Charles Lardner show he was related to James Lardner, Anne Lardner, Mary Anne Lardner and John Walsh. Civil birth records show that Charles Lardner was a stone mason

    Marriage: Charles Larner married Honor Walsh, in Shrule in Shrule Parish on July 11, 1841, witnesses: Thomas Lardner and Mary Anne Gallaher (Shrule Parish Records).

    Residence:

    1. In 1854 the parish record indicated that Charles Larner was living on Creagh Road, Ballinrobe
    2. In 1866 the parish record indicated that he was living on High Street, Ballinrobe. The only listing for Lardner on High Street in the tax ledger that covers the year 1866 was John Lardner, see above.

    Children:

    1. Elizabeth, of Charles Larner and Honor Larner of Creagh Road, was baptized on May 18, 1854, sponsors were James Larner and Anne Larner.

      Notes:

      • This James Lardner was most likely the James who was born circa 1821
      • James Lardner was also the sponsor of John Lardner and Bridget Walsh's son in 1861 - the other sponsor was Elizabeth Lardner. I don't know if Elizabeth was born or married a Lardner.
      • The baptism of Charles Lardner's daughter in 1854 was the only time Anne Lardner was listed in the records.
      • These records connects Charles and Honor Walsh Lardner to James and Anne Lardner, to John and Bridget Walsh Lardner and to Elizabeth Lardner. These people would appear to be contemporaries.
    2. There is the break in the records from 1856 to 1861.

    3. An LDS submission on the IGI lists, Mary Anne Lardner, the daughter of "John Charles Lardner" and "Honor Walsh" born "about" 1856 in Ballinrobe.

    4. An LDS submission on the IGI lists, Patrick Lardner, the son of "John Charles Lardner" and "Honor Walsh" born "about" 1858 in Ballinrobe.

    5. Patrick Joseph, the son of Charles Larner and Honor Walsh, was baptized on January 18, 1866, sponsors John Walsh and Mary Ann Larner.

      Notes:

      • Despite the numbers of John Walshes in Ballinrobe at the time, this is very likely to be the John Walsh.
      • According to the civil birth registration, Charles Lardner of High Street Ballinrobe was a stone cutter.
      • Mary Anne Lardner is one of the few double named people in the records. As common as the name, Mary Anne, might seem, it was not common in the Ballinrobe parish records at the time. In addition to being the sponsor for Charles's son in 1866 Mary Anne was the sponsor for John Lardner and Catherine Walsh's daughter in 1853.
      • An IGI entry lists Patrick Joseph's birth as February 15, 1866.
      • In 1854 Charles Lardner was living on Creagh Road and in 1866 he was living on High Street. This is in keeping with the Griffith which showed changes for both Charles Lardners on Creagh Rd.
      • These records connect Charles and Honor Walsh Lardner to John Walsh, Mary Anne Lardner and to John and Catherine Walsh Lardner.
      • Since these were the only two baptisms recorded for Charles and Honor Lardner, it could indicate that they were at the end of their childbearing years. In this case Honor could have been a younger sibling of John Walsh's father. On the other hand, it is possible that they did not have other children after 1866 for some other reason and this could mean that Honor was a sibling of John himself.
    Sponsor: Charles Lardner was the sponsor to:
    1. John and Fanny Walsh's son, Thomas in 1869
    2. John and Fanny Walsh's son, Joseph in 1873.

    Relations to other Lardners:

    • Baptismal records for the children of Charles Lardner show he was related to:
      1. James Lardner
      2. Anne Lardner
      3. Mary Anne Lardner
    • The marriage of Charles Lardner and Honor Walsh (Shrule Parish) shows that Charles Lardner was related to Thomas Lardner.

    Death: Unknown.

Other Possible Children of Charles Lardner, the elder:

It is highly likely that Charles Larner, the elder, had other children besides John and Charles, the younger.

Possibilities are:

  1. James, who was a sponsor for children of both John and Charles Larner, younger
  2. Pat who was a sponsor for children of Charles Larner, younger
  3. Thomas who was a witness at the marriage of Charles Lardner, younger, and Honor Walsh in 1841, see above.
Death: Charles Lardner of Creagh Road, age 87, married, mason, died of debility on April 14, 1866. The death was reported by Catherine Lardner who was listed as present at the death.

Other information: Various tidbits in local histories mention James Lardner, a stone mason who moved to Ballinrobe to work on the building of the workhouse in 1841. Obviously there were Lardners in the parish since 1827. Charles Lardner, the elder, would have been circa 62 years old in 1841. James Lardner, who was 17 years younger, would have been 45. They cannot have been father and son. Were they brothers?

Charles Lardner (elder or younger) in the tax records

  1. Charles Lardner, 30 Creagh Road, Rathkelly with a house, yard and garden, 1857, tax, 1 pound 5 shillings. In the 1867 ledger Charles Lardner was crossed out and Patrick Haveran was entered. This change could reflect a move for Chalres Lardner the younger, to High Street, Ballinrobe as indicated in the baptismal records for his children.

  2. Charles Lardner as the landlord at number 20 Abbey Street, Town of Ballinrobe, 1857, tenant, Charles Lydon.

  3. Charles Lardner, number 13 Carrownalecka with 6 acres of land, 1857, landlord was Col. C. Knox, tax, 6 pounds and 10 shillings. In the 1863 ledger Martin O'Neill replaced Charles Lardner. Note: This property does not include a house. This may have been acreage that Charles Larner was using for farming or shepherding purposes. The land may also have been used as a quarry. Several of the local histories mention secret masses said in the penal times in the quarries in Carrownalecka.

Note: This branch of the Larner family had the the closest association with John Walsh and his family.

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The James Lardners

A combination of records indicate that there were at least three (and possibly four) James Lardners in the parish:

  1. James Lardner, the Elder, born circa 1796
  2. His son, James Lardner, born circa 1821
  3. James Lardner, most likely the son of Charles Lardner
  4. James Larner father of William baptized in 1880

James Lardner, the Elder, Creagh Road Rathkelly

Birth: Circa 1796

Marriage: Unknown

Residence: 34 Creagh Road, Rathkelly, 1857 Griffith tax ledger

Children:

  1. James (c 1821-)

    Birth: Circa 1821, possibly in Claremorris. Note: Claremorris was the place of birth listed for James Lardner in the 1901 census. Claremorris is a town about 10 miles north east of Ballinrobe. I checked Claremorris parish records (LDS film 1279207) and could not find any Lardners in Claremorris. There were no Lardners listed in the Griffith in Claremorris in 1857. Claremorris was not listed on film LDS 0256584 which should have included the Tithe for Claremorris. .

    Marriage: He did not marry.

    Residence: 39 Creagh Road, Rathkelly with a house yard and garden, tax, 1 pound, 1857 though 1880, Griffith tax ledger. He was listed at 3 Creagh Road in the 1901 census.

    1881 Slater Directory: "Larner", James stone cutter, Creagh Rd

    1901 Census:

    The 1901 census lists James and Michael Lardner at 3 Creagh Road:

    • James Lardner, head of household, cannot read and write, age 80, stonecutter, not married, born in Claremorris, Irish/English speaker
    • Michael Lardner, brother, cannot read and write, age 68, stonecutter, not married, born in Claremorris, Irish/English speaker.

  2. Michael (c 1833-)

    Michael born circa 1833, possibly in Claremorris. Note: Claremorris was the place of birth listed for Michael Lardner in the 1901 census. However, there are no records in Claremorris for Lardner.

    Marriage: He did not marry.

    Residence: Michael was listed in the 1857 Griffith at numbers 35 and 39 Creagh Road, Rathkelly. He was listed with his brother, James at 39 Creagh Road in the 1901 census.

    He was written up in the June 22, 1895 Ballinrobe Chronicle

    "NARROW ESCAPE FROM DROWNING

    While tow (sic) little boys named Carthcart, whose parents reside at High-street, were fishing on Monday last in the rive Robe, one of them overbalanced himself and fell into the water, which is at this point about 5 feet in depth. The screams of the elder brother, who is but 10 years of age, attracted the attention of Mr. Michael Lardner, stonecutter, who at one hurried the spot, and after some difficulty and with considerable danger to himself succeeded in getting the child in an exhausted state safely on terra ferma. The boy was immediately taken home, where he soon recovered for the effects of his immersion, which would in all probability have had a fatal termination were in not for the timely arrival of Mr. Lardner, to whom much praise is due, this little boy being the forth person who he saved from a watery grave."

    Michael Lardner as a sponsor:

    1. Michael, of John and Cate Reddington of Creagh Road, sponsors Michael Lardner and Eliza (Larner ?) on October 11, 1852.
    2. Michael Larner was the sponsor with Mary Gane (?) of (can't read) of John Barrett and Sara Landy in September or October 1870

  3. Jeremiah Lardner

    Records very sparse for Jeremiah Lardner

    Birth: Unknown
    Marriage: Unknown
    Children : Unknown
    Other records:
    In the "1872-1880", Jeremiah Lardner Griffith replaced James Lardner, who was listed in the 1857 through 1867 Griffith at number 34 Creagh Road, Rathkelly. It is highly likely that Jeremiah was James Lardner's son. James Lardner, senior was elderly by this time and his son (who may have been living with him all along) probably assumed the head of household.

  4. Death: 1890 per May Family Research Centre index, September 2008

Other Records : In the chapter of her book Itchy Feet and Thirsty Work on the building of the workhouse, local Ballinrobe historian, Birdie Mulloy, says,
" James Lardner who lived between the Bowers gate and the bridge was an important stone cutter at the time and was later responsible for the steeple of St. Mary's Church."

Notes:

  • Birdie Mulloy is, I believe, referring to the James Lardner, elder.
  • The Bowers Walk is a trail that runs parallel to Creagh Road along the Robe River. My map does not show a relationship between the Bowers Gate and the bridge.
  • St. Mary's Church was started in the 1855 and was finished in 1863.

Death: The death notice of James Lardner, senior, was published in the Ballinrobe Chronicle in December 1894,

"Ballinrobe Chronicle, December 29, 1894. Lardner-December 16, 1894., at Cherry Castle, Abbey-street, Ballinrobe, Mr James Lardner, aged 98 years.-- (The deceased was one of the real "old stock" of Ballinrobe, and father of Messrs. Michael and James Lardner; His fine patriarchal age had almost reached that of a centenarian. The funeral on the 18th was large and respectable, and was the first for which the beautiful new bell tolled the requiem, as the good old man was borne to his last rest in the Big Churchyard. R.I.P.)"

Notes: The obituary indicates that:

  • James Lardner was 45 when the workhouse was build
  • 55 years old when he was listed on Creagh Road in the 1857 Griffith
  • 67 when the steeple of St. Mary's church was finished.

James Lardner III

Birth: James Lardner III was born no later than 1860. I did not find a record of his birth. It is highly likely that he was born during the period that the baptismal records are missing.

Marriage: Kate, unknown.

Children:

  1. William Michael, baptized on September 29, 1880, sponsors: Michael Lardner and Bridget Lardner.

Notes:

This has to reflect a third James Lardner because:

  • James Lardner, elder, would have been 84 years old in 1880.
  • James Lardner, the son of James Lardner, never married.

James Lardner IV (?)

There are three listings for James Lardner as a sponsor. Two of these listings connect James Lardner to the brothers, Charles and John Lardner. I believe that this James Lardner who was also a brother of Charles and John.

The three listings for James Lardner as a sponsor are:

  1. Elizabeth, of Charles Larner and Honor Larner of Creagh Road, was baptized on May 18, 1854, sponsors were James Lardner and Anne Larner.

  2. John, of John Lardner and Bridget Walsh, baptized on March 25, 1861, sponsors: James Lardner and Elizabeth Lardner.

  3. Bridget Mary, the daughter of John Meehan and Mary Sodor (?) was baptized on November 27, 1883, sponsors were James Larner and Margaret Ludea (?).

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John Lardner and Catherine Walsh

Births:

  • John, date unknown, before 1830.
  • Catherine, date unknown, before 1830.

Marriage: John Lardner married Catherine Walsh, date unknown.

Children:

  1. Mary, the daughter of John Larner and Catherine Walsh, baptized in 1850, date unclear. The sponsors were Pat (can't read) and Margaret Larner (Ballinrobe Parish Baptismal records).

    Notes:

    • This was the only time Margaret Lardner appeared in the records.

  2. Mary Ann, of John Lardner and Catherine Walsh, no place listed, May 1852, sponsors: Pat Foher (?) and Mary Ann Lardner

  3. Margaret, of John Larner and Catherine Walsh, sponsors Patt Foher and Mary Anne Larner, May 27, 1853.
There years 1856 to 1861 are missing from the parish records, and the civil records did not start until 1864. The baptismal records started in 1848. It is possible that John Lardner and Catherine Lardner had children before 1848.

Residence: John Lardner was not listed as a head of household in the 1857 Griffith.

The only John Lardner listed in any Griffith was John, the husband of Bridget Walsh, who replaced Charles in 1867. I am sure that this is true because I can track their son John at that "address" through the 1901 census.

Who is this John Lardner?: It is possible that John, the husband of Catherine Walsh, and John, the husband of Bridget Walsh, were the same person. In this scenario, it is possible that Catherine died and John married Bridget Walsh.

Death : Unknown


Peter Lardner

There might be three Peter Lardners.

Birth: Unknown

Marriage: Unknown

Children:Unknown

Griffith Tax Ledger:

  1. Peter Lardner was listed in the 1857 Griffith at number 12a Carrownalecka with a house and 8 acres of land, tax, 7 pounds. In the 1863 ledger Peter was replaced by Patrick Keating.
  2. Peter Lardner was listed in the 1857 Griffith at number 32 Creagh Road, Rathkelly with a house, yard and garden, tax, 1 pound 5 shillings. In the 1880 ledger Peter was replaced by Catherine Lardner.

Ballinrobe Chronicle: According to the Ballinrobe Chronicle, March 16, 1867, Peter Lardner, a young man and stonecutter, was arrested along with Henry McCann, a stucco man, and John Gannon, a slater, in connection with the Fenian movement. The article reads

"FENIAN ARRESTS

Arrests in Ballinrobe and Cong

On Thursday last, three young men were arrested in this town, under the Lord Lieutenant's warrant, on a charge of complicity in Fenianism. Two of them, Henry Mc Cann, stucco-man, and Peter Larner, stonecutter, are natives of this town, but have been for some time away, at work in other districts-John Gannon, a slater, but a short time here.

On the dame day, a young man, named John Killeen was arrested in Cong, under like circumstances, and brought in to this town.

In the course of the day, the four prisoners were conveyed to Castlebar, under police escort, and lodged in the county goal.

Searches were made for arms in several houses in town on same day, but with very little result."

Death: Peter Lardner 1877 per May Family Research Centre index, September 2008


William Lardner, (1792-) mason, and Bridget _____

Birth: Circa 1792

Marriage: Bridget, unknown

Children:

  1. City, of William Larner and Bridget (no last name), (no place), sponsors Richard Burke and Margaret Burke on November 6, 1850, Ballinrobe.

    Note: This baptism was listed twice in the parish register.

  2. Bridget of William and Bridget Larner, --ember 24, 1855, no place listed, sponsors, Mick Faugher (?) and Mary Burke
Residence William Larner was listed on Market Street, Town of Ballinrobe in the 1857 Griffith.

Death: William Larder, age 77, married, mason, died of debility on January 12, 1869 in the Ballinrobe Workhouse.

If the age at death was correct it means William Lardner was born in 1792. If this is the same William Lardner whose daughter, "City, was baptized in 1850 it means he was 58 years old at the time of her birth. Not unheard of.


George Lardner

Birth: Unknown, no later than 1832.

Marriage: Unknown. There was no listing in the Griffith for George Lardner which indicates that he was never a head of household, there were no children listed for him and therefore he may not have been married.

Sponsor: George was listed in the parish records two times as a sponsor.

  1. Mary, the daughter of Pat and Mary Anne Fagan of Creaghroad, in 1852, sponsors, George Lardner and Bridget Larner.
  2. William, the son of John Walsh and Ann Walsh, May 20, 1854 High Street, sponsors: George Lardner and Mary Walsh

Based on an age of 20 at the time he was the sponsor to Mary Fagan, George Lardner was born no later than 1832.

I do not know if there is any significance to the fact that both times George Lardner was a sponsor Bridget Lardner was also a sponsor. It is not clear if they were a couple (as in married) or simply two people whose last names were Lardner. This is another case of not knowing if Bridget Lardner was a married or maiden name. There were no baptisms listed for any children of George and Bridget Lardner. If they were married, they may have been past the child bearing years. Both times that George Lardner was a sponsor were in the earlier records.

George was not a common name in the parish. Charles Lardner had a son George baptized 1865. See above.

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Patrick Lardner

Birth: Unknown, no later than 1850

Marriage: Unknown

Children: There is no record of any baptisms for any children of Patrick Lardner.

Sponsor: Pat Larner was the sponsor for:

  1. Either Pat or Peter Lardner was the person listed as "P". Lardner who with and Bridget Lardner were the sponsors to Margaret, the daughter of Thomas and Anne Haskin in 1875.
  2. John Lardner and Biddy Walsh's son, William in 1870. The other sponsor was Bridget Flanagan. Note: Bridget Flanagan was a sponsor for John and Fanny's daughter Mary in 1865
  3. John Larner and Bridget Walsh's daughter, Jane, in 1871. Note: The other sponsor was Julia Walsh.
  4. John Lardner and Bridget Walsh's daughter, Mary in 1873.
  5. John and Fanny's daughter Fanny in 1875
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The Lardner Women

There is the vexing problem of whether a given female sponsor was listed under her maiden or married name. Since the records seem to list women sometime by their maiden name and sometime by their married name, it is often very hard to know it a Lardner female was born or married a Lardner. It is also not clear when a set of sponsors are listed, for example, as "James and Anne Lardner" if this means that they are a married couple or just two people with the same surname.

Anne Lardner

Birth: Based on an age of 20 in 1854, Anne was born no later than 1834.

Marriage: Unknown

Sponsor: Anne Lardner was the sponsor for:

  1. Elizabeth, of Charles Larner and Honor Larner of Creagh Road, was baptized on May 18, 1854, sponsors were James and Anne Larner.

The Bridget Lardners

Bridget Larner was the sponsor to John and Fanny's son John in 1861.

Bridget was one of the most common given names in the parish.

There were two Bridgets know to have been born Lardner, one other possibly born a Lardner, and two married to Lardners.

The two Bridgets born Lardners

  1. Bridget Lardner Tierney
    Birth: Unknown, circa 1840
    Marriage: Bridget Lardner married James Tierney on August 12, 1865. Witnesses were Pat Donnellon and Catherine Larner.
    Clihdren:
    1. Peter, of "Peter" Tearney and Bridget Larner baptized on July 31, 1866, sponsors were Pat Walsh and Ellen or Elinor Larner. Note: The listing of "Peter" as the father was a clerical error. The civil records list the child as the son of "James" Tierney and Bridget Lardner born July 31, 1866.
    2. Hugh
      Civil Record: Hugh, the son of James Tierney, shoemaker of High Street, Ballinrobe, and his wife, Bridget Lardner, was born on August 7, 1868 (Civil Records).
      Baptism: "Herbert" of James Tierney and Bridget Larner was baptized on August 11, 1868, sponsors were Martin Joyce and Catherine Walsh.
      Death: Hugh Tierney age 6 weeks, High Street shoemaker's child, died of convulsions on September 28, 1868, reported by Mary Donnelly. (Civil records)
    Death: Bridget Tierney, age 28, shoemaker's wife, High Street, died of Phthisis of a duration of four years, on September ?, 1868, death reported by Mary Donnelly, who was listed as present at the death. Note: Phthisis was a wasting lung disease.
    Connections: Bridget Lardner had connects to Elinor Lardner, Pat Walsh, Catherine Lardner and Catherine Walsh. Note: Catherine Walsh and Catherine Lardner could be the same person.

  2. Bridget Larner and John Staunton
    Birth: Unknown, circa 1860?
    Note: Averil Staunton wrote in November 2009:
    " My husband John Staunton is a grandson of Bridget Lardner and John B. Staunton. (m. c. 1879). They at one stage owned Cherry Castle, Abbey Street in Ballinrobe which was the oldest building in town. Her dad, James Lardner, who built the steeple on the RC Church died there c. 1896). I think John B. Staunton was very friendly with the Walsh family."
    Marriage: Bridget Lardner married John Staunton on October 15, 1879, witnesses were Michael Larner and Margaret Larner.
    Children:
    1. John, of John and Bridget Staunton, was baptized on October 24, 1880. Sponsors were William McK--- and Maria Lardner.
    1901 Census: Ballinrobe T./Bridge St. Ballinrobe Kilmaine Mayo Household Staunton John (54), saddler/grocer, Bridget (50) wife, John (20) saddler/grocer, Eleanor Murray (65) sister/widow, George Ross (25) boarder/inland revenue officer/not married/born Edinburgh, Delia Spellman (20) servant/not married (The Leitrim-Roscommon 1901 Census)
    1911: Excerpts from LDS microfilm, Ballinrobe Bridge Street: John B Staunton saddleshop rent office buildings #5 & 6 -
    Staunton John B, 68, Male, Head of Family, Roman Catholic, Staunton, Bridget, 64, Female, Wife, Roman Catholic, Staunton, John, 30, Male, Son, Roman Catholic, Marry, Eleanor, 75, Female, Sister in law, Roman Catholic, Murehan, Sarah, 18, Female, Servant, Roman Catholic (www.census.nationalarchives)
Sponsor: Bridget the wife of John Staunton as a sponsor:
  1. Mary Ellen of James Mally and Mary Anne Staunton, February 21, 1877, sponsors, William Byrne and Bridget Lardner.
Connections: Bridget Lardner was connected to Michael Lardner and Margaret Lardner.

Unknown Bridget Lardner

  1. Bridget Larner
    Birth: Unknown, no later than 1832 ?
    Sponsor:
    1. Mary, the daughter of Pat and Mary Anne Fagan of Creaghroad, in 1852, sponsors: George and Bridget Larner.
    2. William, the son of John Walsh and Ann Walsh, in 1854, sponsors: George and Bridget Larner.

Bridgets married to Lardners

  1. Bridget was the given name of William Lardner's wife. See William Lardner above.
  2. Bridget Walsh married John Lardner. See John Lardner above. Note: I believe that this is the most likely cantidate for the sponsor of John Walsh.
Bridget Lardner as a Sponsor

Because of the numbers of "Bridget Lardners" it is not really possible to determine which of the Bridgets the following represent.

In addition to being the sponsor for John Walsh in 1861 "Bridget Lardner" was the sponsor for the following baptisms

  1. Bridget Lardner was the sponsor of Mary, of Pat and Mary Ann Fagan of Creagh Road, on the 12th of June 1852. Other sponsor George Lardner.
  2. Bridget Larner and Michael Carney were the sponsors to the baptism of Bridget, of James and Ellen Carney of Rathkelly, on December 12, 1852.
  3. In 1875, P. Lardner and Bridget Lardner were the sponsors to Margaret, the daughter of Thomas and Anne Haskin.

Catherine Larner

City, Cate, and Kate are all nicknames for Catherine.

There was one Catherine born a Lardner and one married a Lardner.

  1. Catherine Lardner Keaney
    Birth: Unknown, circa 1859?
    Marriage: Catherine Lardner married James Keaney on October 5, 1879, witnesses were John Moran and Mary Lardner.
    Connections: Catherine was connected to Mary Lardner who may have been her sister.

  2. Catherine Walsh the wife of John Lardner, see above.
Catherine Lardner as a sponsor:
  1. Cate Larner was the sponsor, with James Fagan, of Jane, the daughter of Pat and Mary Anne Fagan, on May 5, 1851.
  2. Kate Lardner was the sponsor, with Lawrence Gelger (?), of James, the son of Thomas Burke and Bridget Moran, on February 19, 1869. This is 18 years after the previous date and most likely reflects another Cate Larner.
  3. Kate Larner was the sponsor, along with Pat Sullivan, of William, the son of Joseph Flanagan and Bridget Gibson on July 17, 1877. Note: Bridget Gibson Flanagan could have been the sponsor of Mary if she was married to Joseph Flanagan by 1865.

Elizabeth Lardner

There is no indication that Elizabeth Lardner was ever a mother. She is connected to James, John and Michael Lardner. The only records for her are as a sponsor or witness.

  1. Michael, of John and Cate Reddington of Creagh Road, sponsors Michael Lardner and Eliza (Larner ?) on October 11, 1852.
  2. John, of John Lardner and Bridget Walsh was baptized on March 25, 1861. The sponsors were James and Elizabeth Lardner.
  3. Elizabeth Lardner was a witness to the marriage of Pat Colleran and Catherine Colleran on February 26, 1869. The other witness was Mike Hession. According to the civil record, Pat Culleran, age 20, shoemaker, from Ballinrobe, father, Michael Cullerine (sic), farmer married Cate Colleran, age 29, spinster, of Ballinrobe, father, William Colleran, farmer of February 27, 1867. The witnesses were Elizabeth Lardner and Michael Hession.
  4. Elizabeth Larner was the sponsor to Bridget, of Pat "Cullinane" and Kate "Colleran", on February 28, 1868. The other sponsor was Frances Fahy.
Ellen or Ellinor Lardner

Ellen Lardner was a sponsor

  1. Peter of Peter Tearney and Bridget Larner baptized on July 31, 1866, sponsors were Pat Walsh and Ellen or Elinor Larner.

Margaret

Margaret Lardner was a sponsor

  1. Mary, the daughter of John Larner and Catherine Walsh, baptized in 1850. The sponsors were Pat (can't read) and Margaret Larner.
Mary, Marie and Mary Anne Larner

I do not know if Mary and Marie are interchangeable.

Mary Larner was the sponsor of John and Fanny's daughter, Ellen Walsh, in 1877. Mary Lardner was listed as a sponsor or witness several other times.

There are no indications of Mary Lardner as a mother.

  1. Margaret, of John Larner and Catherine Walsh, sponsors Patt Foher and Mary Anne Larner, May 27, 1853.
  2. Patrick Joseph, the son of Charles Larner and Honor Walsh, was baptized on January 18, 1866. Sponsors were John Walsh and Mary Ann Larner.
  3. Marie Larner was the sponsor to William, the son of Michael Walsh and Bridget Conely of Cloonmeen, on May 20, 1868. The other sponsor was Pat Walsh. Is Marie the same as Mary?
  4. Catherine Lardner married James Keaney on October 5, 1879. Witnesses were John Moran and Mary Lardner.
  5. John, of John and Bridget Staunton, was baptized on October 24, 1880. Sponsors were William McK--- and Maria Lardner.
  6. Bridget, of James and Honor Feerick, was baptized in 1881. Sponsors were Ba--- Wa--- and Mary Larner.
  7. Mary Larner was the sponsor of Bridget, the daughter of William Jennings and Bridget Walsh, baptized on June 14, 1900. The other sponsor was Martin Meehan .
These above records most likely reflect more than one Mary Larner.



The Lardners by "neighborhood"

The tithe in 1827 listed two Lardners, John and Michael, both in Carrownlecka.

The Griffith tax ledgers listed the eight Larners head of household and two with land only in 1857:

  1. Carrownalecka
    1. Peter Lardner at #12a Carrownalecka, land only from 1857 to 1863 .
    2. Charles Lardner at #13 Carrownalecka, land only from 1857 to 1863.
  2. Rathkelly
    1. Charles Lardner at #30 Creagh Road, Rathkelly, Town of Ballinrobe, from 1857 to 1868.
    2. Peter Lardner at number #32 Creagh Road, Rathkelly, Town of Ballirnobe, from 1857 to 1879, when he was replaced by Catherine Larner. She was still listed in the ledger that covers up to at least 1887.
    3. James Lardner at #34 Creagh Road, Rathkelly, Town of Ballinrobe, from 1857 to 1882, when he was replace by Jeremiah Larner who was still listed in the ledger that covers up to at least 1887.
    4. Michael Lardner at number #35 Creagh Road, Rathkelly, Town of Ballinrobe, from 1857 to 1859.
    5. Charles Lardner at #38 Creagh Road Rathkelly, Town of Ballinrobe, from 1857 to 1868, when he was replaced by John Lardner. In 1881 Bridget Lardner replaced John Lardner. She was still listed in the ledger that covers up to at least 1887.
    6. James Lardner at #39 Creagh Road, Rathkelly, Rathkelly, Town of Ballinrobe, from 1857 to 1892. Still there in the 1901 census.
  3. Knockanotish
    1. John Lardner at #17 High Street, Knockanotish, Town of Ballinrobe, from 1859 to 1868
  4. Carnaroya
    1. William Lardner at #39 Market Street, Carnaroya, Town of Ballinrobe from 1857 to 1877 when he was replaced by Bridget Lardner. In 1882 Bridget Lardner was replaced by Patrick Quinn (lodgers)
Note: There were only 15 listings on Creagh Road, Rathkelly, Town of Balllinrobe in 1857 and 8 of them involved these Lardners as tenents or landlords.

1887 there were only 4 Lardners listed in Ballinrobe. Three of them were most likely widows, although they may have had adult children living with them.

By the 1901 census there were only two Lardner head of household:

  1. James (1821), the son of James (1796), (listed with his brother Michael, (1833)
  2. John Lardner (1861), the son of John (before 1840) his wife and children.
Over the course of 74 years, the Lardner head of households went from two to a high of eight and then back to two.

There was only one Lardner burial in the Abbey graveyard. The date was 1870.


Stonemasons

In the mid 1800s there was plenty of work in Ballinrobe for this family of masons and stonecutters. In addition to the workhouse in 1840s there were several major stoneworks in the 1850s:

  • The bridge on the Castlebar road
  • Several large town houses
  • St Mary's Catholic Church

Some of the Lardners obviously did well financially as indicated by the fact that in the 1857 Griffith they were listed as landlords for several properties in town:

  1. Charles at number 20, Abbey Street renting to Charles Lyons, "part of" house and yard.
  2. James Lardner at 49 Abbey Street renting to Michael Gildea, house.
  3. John Lardner at 33 Creagh Road Rathkelly. The property, a house, yard and garden, was listed as vacant. In the "1857" Griffiths, John Larner was crossed out as the landlord and no one else was entered.
  4. James Lardner at numbers 40a and 40b renting to James Conry and John Colloran, house and yard.

I do not know if the Lardners actually owned the land or held it in long term lease from someone else.

Other stone cutters in Ballinrobe were from the O'Malley, Heneghan, Joyce, Walsh and McDermitt families.


Lardner Place of Origin

Clearly the Lardners were not an ancient family in the area. Where did they live before they arrived in Ballinrobe? There are three hints, none of which give a satisfactory answer.

  • The responses to the 1901 census indicate that James and Michael Lardner were born in Claremorris. However, the records for Claremorris do not include any listings for Lardner. This is not as unusual as it may seem. Census information is notoriously unreliable. James and Michael may not have been born in Claremorris.
  • LDS film 0919005 gives the occurrence of a given surname in County Mayo as listed in the Tithe Applotment and Griffith. According to this list, the name Lardner was listed 1 time in the Tithe in Kilmaine Barony, 9 times in Griffith in Kilmaine Barony, and twice in Griffith in Tirawby Barony. According to the Griffith for Ballinrobe there were nine Lardners listed in 1857 as indicated on film 0919005. This indicated that the Lardners were not numerous in other areas of Western Ireland and that their primary seat was in Ballinrobe. Note: Obviously, there are some short comings in this list. Ballinrobe is in the Kilmaine Barony and there were two listings in Ballinrobe in the Tithe.

  • Another "hint" comes from a LDS file called the International Genealogical Index (IGI). This index is compiled from submissions from Genealogical Societies and individuals who have done their genealogy. It too is notoriously unreliable. It is often impossible to ascertain where the submissions originated. In general the submissions from Genealogical Societies are more reliable. According to an "LDS submission", John Charles Lardner was born about 1824 in Westport, Co. Mayo. No parent was listed. Westport is a town on the coast about 20 miles from Ballinrobe. Connected IGI listings indicate this John Lardner married Honor Walsh and had several children in Ballinrobe in the 1850s. Note: The Ballinrobe parish and civil records indicate that Charles Lardner was married to Honor Walsh and John Lardner was married to Bridget Walsh. John Lardner and Bridget Walsh Lardner had a son, George, baptized in November 1865. Charles Lardner and Honor Walsh Lardner had a son, Pat, baptized in January 1866.
  • Mac Lysaght's indication that the name was found in Galway.

The 2003 phone book for Mayo and Galway listed a handful of Lardners in Galway around Tuam. There were no listings in Ballinrobe.


1881 Larner in the Slater Directory

Larner, Bridget, lodgings, Moorgate Street

Larner, Michael, shop keeper and dealer in sundries, Abby street


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