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Family traditions suggest that the maiden name of Lucy, the wife of Abram Azarian,
was either Hagopian or
Arevian.
The records of her marriage and the baptisms of her children
in the Armenian Catholic Church in Istanbul sometimes list one and sometimes the other.
See Lucy
Arevians in Constantinople In addition to Lucy Arevian/Hagopian Azarian there are the following adult males named Arevian listed in the Catholic Church records in Constantinople between 1895 and 1914:
*Those known to have a connection in some way to the Azarians either directly or indirectly are: Hovsep (Hovsipas), Batist (Hovannes Martin), and Tibalti/Stephan.
Hovsep Arevian (1832-1907) Birth: 1832 Prknik, per tombstone Marriage: Children:
Eight year break. I did not find any other baptisms for children of Batist in any of the Istanbul churches.
Notes:
Haviar (Havyar) Han (Khan) was a large commercial building in Galata that contained offices for merchants, bankers and the equivalent of the Turkish stock exchange. In 1883 Raphael C. Cervati listed "Haviar Han: 53 Greeks, 11 Armenians, 10 Levantine/Europeans, 8 Jews". It was the largest of six Hans listed. The others were Commission Han, Kourchoum Han, Mehmed Han, Millet Han and Salonique Han. An example of a business in the Havyar Han circa 1920 was Catevenis and Zanetto of 73 Haviar Han who werre listed in the Export and Trade directory of 1922. C. E. Catevenis, established in 1869, had offices at 68 Broad Street, New York and in Piraeus, Greece, in addition to the business in Constantinople. They were exporters of "foodstuffs, hides, leather, alcohol and general merchandise" and importers of "all products of Greece, Egypt and the Balkan states". The Havyar Han was located near Galata tower. In 1448 the Signoria de Genova ordered the Podesta [governer] of Pera, Benedetto Vivaldi , to restore the Largero [larger] wall which had fallen into ruin. A marble plaque was placed in the wall commemoration the restoration. "E sicome il marmo relativo fu visto incassato nel muro nel luogo ora detto Haviar-Han e Hatil-Pascia-Han; vengono da tutti questi confronti piu conseguenze notevoli.........There are some indications that the Haviar Han was, in fact, an old han (khan) or caravansary. Death of Elizabeth Gougoujian Arevian: Unknown Note: There is an Elizabeth Arevyan in the same grave with Hovsep (b 1832), Jan Batist (b 1868) and Jovsep (b 1902). She is listed as Eliz Arevyan 1890-1971. Who was she? She was born too late to be the wife of Jan Batist Arevian and too early to be the daughter of Elizabeth Gougoujian Arevian. She could be a child of Jan Bistist by a first mariage. Death of Jan Batist Arevian: 1962 per tombstone.
Question: Is this another alias for Batist Arevian? Birth: Unknown. Son of Hovsep per baptism of Adijis in 1903. Marriage: Unknown. Ezisabet _____ daughter of Eranosi Children: Hovpasis Arevian and Ezisabet P-------- had at least one child:
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Birth: Unknown Sponsor: Tibalti/ Stephen Arevian, father unknown, was the sponsor for Anna Azarian in 1908. This is the only record I found for Tibalti/Stephan. I cannot find any other records under either Stepan or Tibaldi Arevian. Death of Hovsep Arevian: 1907, per tombstone.
Note: Death records have been harder for me to translate.
There are many words that I cannot
find in the simple dictionary I have.
In the death record for Surp Savour from 1890 to 1913 for the letter "A"
there was one Arevian death listed. The death information was written in eight columns:
The first column contained the name of the diseased, the second the name of the father,
I do not know the meaning of the third and forth columns (it is possible [if these records
follow the pattern in the rest of
the
world's death record] that one column represents the cause of death), the fifth column
is the date, and I
have no real idea about the rest. The death record for Hovsep Arevian contains the following information: Hovsep Arevian, son of was written and then crossed out, there is no entry in the relative column, in the next column, "Mairil-imaz", the date column, October 12, 1907, I don't know the next column represents, but it contains a name that is not Arevian (may be the priest) the next column says Sb Pr-en, this was written in almost every column on the page, I do not know what the last column says but again many entries are repeated on the page. It is possible (based on death records in other parts of the world) that one of these column is the place of burial.
The death was listed in the The History of the Village of Perkenik (Pakradunik) by Fr. Ephrem Boghossian C. M. Vd (Mechitharist of Vienna, Austria), Translation by Joe Topalian in a section that has not yet been translated. A friend of Haniel Riviere-Allen translated it as follows Arevian Deaths in Holy Trinity The following Arevian deaths were listed in Holy Trinity:
There are no marriage or baptismal records for Arevian in St Paul's. There are, however, three death records as follows:
Arevian Tombstone, Armenian Catholic Cememtery, Istanbul In May 2008 Tom and I visited Istanbul and the Armenian Catholic Cemetery. The cemetery contains a seperate section for families from Pirkinik (Sivas). |
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Photo Maggie Blanck, May 2008 | |
The Arevian Tombston, Armenian Catholic Cemetery, Istanbul, May 2008 This is the tombstone of Josep Arevin 1832-1907, his son, Jan Batist Arevian, 1868-1962, grandson, Jozef Arevian 1902-1952 and Eliz Arevyan 1890-1971. In June 2008 Haniel wrote: "Elisabeth Arevian, cousin of my grand-father did pass away in 1970 and was married to Baptist, and lived in Constantinople" Elizabeth was Batist's wife's name, but a birth in 1890 is too late for her as she had a child in 1901. Haniel adds: "We had also met the Catholic archbishop when we visited Constantinople and he told me he knew Elisabeth Arevian, and he knew that she was originally from Perkinik and that she was the only Arevian left in Constantinople before she died. I am surprised that her date of birth was not the same as my grand-father's as I was told that Hagop's mother breast fed them both at the same time as Elisabeth's mother had died giving birth to her." |
Hagopian/Arevian The first record for Hagopian in the Catholic Church records was the marriage in 1845 of Stepan Hagopian, the son of Ghorgas, to Mariam Maretian, the daughter of "Gigori", witness, Hovsep Maretian, the son of Hovsep. Note: There are three letters in Armenian that look like a capital "N" in English. These are the equivalents for the letters T, Gh, and R in English. Stepan's father's given name starts with this letter. I don't know if he was Torgas, Ghorgas or Rorgas. Hagopian was not a common name. There were four adult male Hagopians who were listed in the Istanbul church records for Surp Savior and Holy Trinity. These church are both connected to the Azarians and Arevians. In addition, the baptismal sponsors for the children of three of these Hagopians are connected in someway to either the Arevians or the Azarians. The four adult male Hagopians were:
Notes:
Death: Age 45 in prison in Istanbul (Haniel, February 2006)
Lucy Arevian/Hagopian Birth: Elizabeth Lucy Arevian/Hapopian born January 15 1875 in Perkinik daughter of Hagop and Annik. Siblings per family history: Hagop, Batist, Hovaannes, Christine and Nazareth. See Lucy Arevian/Hagopian
Marriage: Apram Azarian
The Arevian/Hagopian Connection Family tradition says that Lucy, born circa 1875 in Perkinik, was the daughter of Hagop Arevian (or Hagopian) and Anna. And her siblings were: Hagop, Batist, Hovannes, and Christine. Cross-referencing the records from the Constantinople churches show close connections between Lucy Arevian/Hagopian and:
Information on the Arevians from Lucille Iorio Gaudelli
Lucille Iorio Gaudelli, a granddaughter of Lucy Arevian, also told me in the summer of 2000, that Lucy had a cousin, Hagop Arevian, who won a medal of honor in Egypt in the Second World War and a cousin, Avedis Arevian, who was in the French Foreign Legion. Lucille also gave me the name "House of Pacradoouni" which is some how connected to the Patriarch of Constantinople. Christine Azarian Pace, the daughter of Lucy Arevian/Hagopian and Abram Azarian, was in contact over the years with the Arevian/Hagopian family in France. Christine's daughter, Ilda Pace Restrepo, shared the following photos with me.
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Anna Desirmenjian and Nazareth Arevian Ilda identified them as "the parents of Hagop and Avidis". | |
Photo courtesy of Ilda Pace Restrepo, 2008 | |
Photo courtesy of Ilda Pace Restrepo, 2008 Written on the back in Armenian: From the left Elize, the third, Avedis, forth Batist, and Avedis and his French wifeGraciously translated by Levon Capan, December 2008 Obviously some of the people in this photo are not named in the hand written note on the back. As far as I can determine they are: Elize, unnamed child [presumably a child of Anne Arevian ____], unnamed woman holding child [I believe that this is Anna born 1909, daughter of Batist and Elize], Avedis [brother of Nazareth and Batist??], Batist [born 1868-died 1962], unnamed woman [she is later identified as the mother in law of Anne Arevian _______], Avedis [son of Nazareth born circa 1886?], and unnamed wife (presumably of Avedis) Elize must be Elizabeth Gougoujan the wife of Batist. |
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Photo courtesy of Ilda Pace Restrepo, 2008 Written on the back in Armenian: Myself, my husband, my son Hovsep and my daughter in law. Edward's present picture is not available. We wrote to him to send us again. Looks like we shall not receive it.Graciously translated by Levon Capan, December 2008 This picture looks to be earlier than the one above it. Hovsep was baptized in 1901. Based on the picture above this is Elize Gougoujian Arevian and Batist Arevian. |
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Photo courtesy of Ilda Pace Restrepo, 2008 Written on the back in Armenian: My husband, my daughter, my grandchild and I. Elderly woman is my son-in-law's mother. This picture is from this summer when we went to summer house in Great Island.Graciously translated by Levon Capan, December 2008 From left to right: Elize Gougoujian Arevian, the old lady, Batist Arevian, grandchild (maybe Armand) and Anna Arevian (born 1909) |
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Close ups of Batist Arevian from group photos. | ||
Close up of Elize Gougoujian Arevian from a group photo. | ||
Close up of Avedis Arevian from a group photo. | |
Photo courtesy of Ilda Pace Restrepo, 2008 | |
Photo courtesy of Ilda Pace Restrepo, 2008 Written on the back in French: Paris 16/8/36 Bien chers parents esperons que pour l'exposition de 1937 je viendrais avec cette voiture vous chercher a Marseilles.It is signed, but I cannot read the signature. Loose translation: Dear parents I hope that for the Exposition of 1937 I will come with this car to pick you up at Marseilles My thanks to Catherine Saiko for correcting the French and the translation, December 2008 |
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Photo courtesy of Ilda Pace Restrepo, 2008 Written on the back in Armenian: My Annie, my son in law Vahe and their daughter Floret 17 years oldGraciously translated by Levon Capan, December 2008
Stamped on back "Foto Artistik Halaskar -azi CaddesiNo. 2--, Sisli -Osmambey"
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Photo courtesy of Ilda Pace Restrepo, 2008 Written on the back in Armenian: My Grandson Armand 13 years old.Graciously translated by Levon Capan, December 2008
Printed on front "foto Sabah istanbul" Note: He is certainly not 13 years old in this picture.
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Other Arevians From Pirkinik
While looking for traces of the relatives of Lucy Arevian/Hagopian Azarian in the United States I came across the Arevian brothers, Alex and John who settled in Colorado. The WWI Draft Registration of Alex Arevian says he was born in Pakradunny, Sepastia, Armenia, Turkey. According to Joe Topalian who is translating a history of the village of Pirkinik from Armenian to English, the traditional local name of the village was Pakraduny.
Mateos Arevian/Sigherjian Birth: Marriage: Children:
Naturalization: 1920 Census: see Alexander
1930 Cheyenne Wyoming: John Arevian age 31, roomer, born Armenia, cleaner, own shop, Death: John Arevian 24 December 1892 died February 1970 Denver Colorado, SSDI 1921: A real-estate transfer of some sort from Alexander Segherjian 3535 East Colfax to Pipena Arevian Denver 1922: Arevian Brothers advertised a 9x12 Saruk Rug "a bargain" in the Denver Post January 11, 1922 Also advertized in the Denver Rockly Mountain News "repairers and cleaners of Oriental rugs"
1929: Greeley paper was advertising J. Arevian from Denver personally showing Oriental Carpets at Harris Inglefield Furniture. 1931: Greeley Daily Tribune, Greeley Colorado, ad which ran for several months Your Oriental Rug
Note: The naturalization record for John and the immigration of Ohanis and Alexan are the only records listed by Ancestry under Sigherjian. |
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John Arevian from his naturalization petition 1942. |
1891 Annuaire Oriental
No Batiste Arevian.
1895 Annuaire Oriental Arevian Pere et Fils, curis [hides], R. Tchitcek Bazar, 5, S. Arevian, (H.), commissionnaire, Mehmed Pacha Han 10 S. Arevian (Hatckik), calotted turques, Grand Ruue de Galata, 42 Arevian, (Onnik) curis, R. Perdahdji Hane 11, au Grand Bazar S. There are a ton of "Agobpian" but none with the right first names. There are four "Hagobians" but none with the right first name, except: "Hagopian (Hagop H.) avocat [lawyer] Memed Ali Pacha Han, 2, G."
1914 Annuaire Oriental Arevian (A) dentiste, R. Tepe Bachi 37 P et R. de Brousse, 27 P Arevian (Baptiste), proprietaire, R. Luledji Hendik 2 G.* Arevian Frers, negociants, Khorassandji Han 31. S. Arevian (Leon) commissionn., R. Digner Bektchi 14, Pane
Arevian (M.) et C agends de C-- d' assu. Outch Direkli Han 16 a 18 21 S.
Arevian (Miguirditch) de la maison M Arevian et Cie R Tourna 39 Pane.
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Gougoujian Elizabeth Gougoujian was the wife of Batist Arevian. Stephan Gougoujian was the godfather for Hagopian and Azarian. Stepan Gougoujian was a godfather 20 times and a marriage witness 3 times between 1885 and 1909, a 24 year span. The records for the Gougoujians include:
Notes and Questions:
Margosian Margosian connections are:
The records for Margosian are very limited:
Miscellaneous Information on the Azarians, Arivians, Hagopians, Etc. I looked through the marriages for Surp Savour from 1882 to 1920 for the marriages of female members of the Azarian, Arevian and Hagopian clan. There were no Azarians and Arevians listed. There was only one Hagopian. The baptismal records for Surp Savour after 1917 were listed by date not by alphabet. There is an index at the end of the records. There were no Azarian, Gougoujian, Margosian or Hagopian baptisms listed in the index. In January 2005 I was contacted by email by Haniel Riviere-Allen, a descendant of Hagop Arevian/Hagopian. Hagop Arevian/Hagopian was the son of Nazareth Arevian/Hagopian who we believe was Lucy's brother. Hagop, is also the person who family stories told of being in the French Foreign legion and who was visited by Christine Azarian Pace in Paris in 1962. See below for more on Nazareth Arevian/Hagopian. Haniel shed some light on the Arevian/Hagopian question in one of her emails of January 2005. I have spoken to my mother about the confusion between Arevian and Hagopian. She told me that she had heard of it and that it was the same family. The reason why Hagopian was added is that back in the village the elders would gather to discuss who should marry which family to make sure that there was no in-breading. So in order to identify an Arevian side of the family from another they have added Hagopian to identify a sub-group of the clan. You probably know that Hagopian means 'the son of Hagop'. I would not be surprised if Nazareth had a father or an ancestor called Hagop and passed on this first name down the next generation when naming his youngest son Hagop.In February 2006 I was contacted by emial by John Arevian, the son of Varoujean Arivian and the grandson of Avedise Arevian On this page I have attempted to look at the records in Constantinople for the Arevians, Hagopians and other families who appear to be connected to them.
A DISCLAIMER I translated the records from the Armenian using a "Teach yourself Armenian" guide. Some of my transliterations may be off the mark. Some of the handwriting is very cramped in addition to the fact that it is entirely foreign to me. If you know the correct transliteration on any of the names please let me know. Thanks. Haniel, an Arevian/Hagopian Relative Haniel is a descendant of Nazareth Arevian/Hagopian, who we believe was a brother of Lucy Azarian. Haniel found the web site on the Internet and contacted me by email. She is writing a book about her grandfather, Hagop Arevian, who is a person that Christine Azarian Pace visited in Paris in 1962 or there abouts. Nazareth Arevian/Hagopian was married to Anna Desirmenjian, see Nazareth Hagopian above. The records in Constantinople show close ties between Nazreth Arevian/Hagobian and Lucy Arivian/Hagopian Azarian. Here are some excerpts from Haniel's emails. Some Information From Haniel, January 2005 (Anna Desirmenjian) Anna's family name means 'the windmill owner' and her family owned one of the windmills in Perkinik. At birth she was given a potential husband and according to the customs of the time the name of her 'fiance' was engraved on her cot. Her husband to be died as a child so she married Nazareth who was older than her by a good 10 years. She must have been very young when she had her first child because she told my mother that she still used to play with her dolls. She would put them down to take care of her first baby. (The Armenian Catholics) There were entire Armenian villages of Catholics which dated from the Crusades. They thought in fact that because they were entirely Catholic and kind of under 'foreign' protection they would not be targeted by the massacres. Indeed at first they were even Turkish representatives who mentionned this but very quikly the politics changed and the fact to be Armenian was sufficient to warrant death or forced deportation.
More Information From Haniel, January 2005 (Languages) I don't speak Armenian but my mother does and as a child she could speak with Anna about the life in the village. Anna spoke Armenian and Turk. This was useful as when Hagop married a Greek, she also could speak Turk as her native island was one of the parts of Greece which was the longest under the Ottoman authority. Unfortunately my mother does not read Armenian. Hagop and Avedis spoke French, Armenian, Greek, Turkish and Arabic very fluently. Fortunately the memoires where Hagop recollects part of his life are in French! (Hagop and Avedis) Hagop was very tall, handsome, jet black hair. Avedis was short and I think had fair hair. (Anna) Anna had very long blond hair and blue eyes. My mother was told by friends who had known Anna in the village that she was called 'la belle Anna' for she was very beautiful. Anna was too humble to repeat such things about herself.
Anna was the daughter of a second marriage. Her father remarried and had, we think, only Anna with his second wife. He had at least 3 sons with the first wife and a daughter who died giving birth to Ersapeth (Armenian equivalent of Elizabeth). This child was born at the same time as Hagop and Anna breast fed both of them together. My mother thought that this sister may have been called Lucy but we have no proof of this. We do not have the names of Anna's older brothers as she would only refer to them as 'her handsome brothers' - they old died in the massacres. They were much older than her and had horses. Apparently Perkinik had a reputation for being a village which dealt with the commerce of horses. More Information From Haniel, January 2005 (Arevians in the Genocide) According to my uncle, 80 members of the Arevian clan were massacred by the Turks. (Nazareth, Hagob and Avedis) Nazareth belonged to Dashnak, one of the first resistant group, and was a leader in his own right. He worked on the docks in Constantinople with his brother. Nazareth was arrested for his political activities and he died in a Turkish jail at the age of 45 from bad treament, torture and mutilation. Avedis used to visit his father in prison as a child and even asked for his blessing before he got married with Machroui who was an Armenian orphaned by the massacres. Avedis left first to emigrate to Egypt but Anna stayed until her husband died. Hagop followed Avedis and decided to join the French Foreign Legion. Lied about his age as he was only 17 and should have been 21 and joined the army. He had attended school at the Catholic Armenian jesuite called the Mechitarist and had a French education. His main motivation in joining the Legion was to avenge his father and to combat the Turcs as in WWI they were on the German side. After his military training in Algeria (which was part of French territory at the time and headquarter of the Foreign Legion) he was sent to the Somme front in France and fought in some of the worst battles with huge casualties. He was mortally wounded at the head by a sharpnel but recovered miraculously (it would be too long to tell you the whole story!). He then was chosen to train the batallion which was composed of Armenian from the disapora, many of them came back from America to fight under the French Foreign Legion. Hagop was then a captain and trained those keen fighters in Cyprus. I have many details about this period as Hagop left precise accounts of his military life. From there they went to Turkey, Adana and many other places up to Constantinople to fight the Kemalist army. Until 1922 when this front ended end the dream of a free Armenian republic with it. He went back to Egypt and settled in Heliopolis near Cairo, His brother settled in Alexandria. Hagop preferred the new city of Heliopolis because he needed a very dry climat to recover from his various wounds. He married Eleni a Greek orthodox from Chios Island who had also suffered exile, the Turks etc.. and had arrived in Egypt when she was 10 years old. They had 3 children, a son Athos who his still alive in Marseilles aged 80, Annette my mother who is 78 and lives in the centre of France but still travels to Egypt several times a year - and interestingly Lucy who died a few years ago. My mother was named after Anna, her Grand-mother and was very close to her growing up. Anna lived with Avedis first and then when Hagop had children she moved to live with them. My mother told me that Hagop insisted to give the name of Lucy to his daughter in memory of a relative of his but my mother can't remember what was the exact relationship. Hagop had first a dry cleaning busines supplying his services to big hotels and then bought a cafe he called 'le cafe de France'. When the WWII came up he organised the resistance and created a network to help the war effort in Egypt. This is also very well documented. He met with De Gaulle twice and received the Legion of Honour, one of the highest French military distinction. He was forced to exile in 1954 by the Nasser goverment with all the others non-Egyptians who lived in Egypt and he came to Paris. Avedis died in 1958, I am not sure where but should be able to find out. Hagop and Eleni had very difficult time in Paris, having lost everything and too old really to built a new life. He did work in a couple of places thanks to Armenian friends who helped him found jobs but he died in 1965. Hovhannes Martin, Artin, Gregor, Eranosi and Bozaten Arevian The following records for Hovhannes Martin Arevian, Artin Harountian Arevian and Gregor Arevian do not show any specific connections to Lucy Arevian/Hagopian or the Arevian/Hagopians that she was connected to. Artin and Gregor appear to be connected to one another.
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Azniv Arevian, Istanbul 1910, from the book HISATAK, (Memories 1865-1930 Oemme Edizioni, 1990)
image shared by Armen Gurekian, January 2012.
I do not know who Azniv was. John Arevian does not recognize the name. |
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